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Investor082

07/09/25 10:36 AM

#774893 RE: Bright Boy #774889

LOL, cant even get an approval for GBM, 5 years since data lock in a tiny market like UK. Pumpers talking about bacterias, viruses, and all tumors! Tell LP that you need to run proper trials to prove that. No one will fund and support the BS without data.

No wonder, LP just diluted at .22. Any word from your big pharma exec friends lately? ;)
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Slave1

07/09/25 10:57 AM

#774904 RE: Bright Boy #774889

Great post BB, totally agree with you, you laid it out perfectly. NWBO doesn’t take “several months” to make autologous tumor lysate. Once the tumor arrives at Advent, lysate prep can be done in as little as four to seven days, exactly like you said. That timeline is realistic given their GMP infrastructure and experience handling individualized cell therapy.

On Mill Creek, their approach may look different on the surface, using in vitro-expanded tumor cell lines to generate an antigen library, but the downstream process still appears to involve dendritic cells, patient matching, and antigen presentation. So yes, there’s definitely conceptual overlap.

That said, this isn’t unusual. Trials like these, especially in academic settings, are often built on in-licensed platforms or shared technology foundations. In fact, many are intentionally structured to evaluate specific components of an existing system under new conditions or to generate complementary data. So this is not a threat to NWBO’s IP, it’s likely a strategic parallel effort, not a competing one.

What people often miss is that academic trials are designed to test ideas, not commercialize them, and they frequently rely on partnerships or existing tech to do so. If any part of their process relies on DC manufacturing or antigen presentation pathways that overlap with NWBO’s patents, it’s entirely possible that it’s under formal licensing or with NWBO’s knowledge.

And fully agree with your point about manufacturing. NWBO’s ability to produce GMP-grade autologous dendritic cells at scale, with full regulatory compliance, is a serious advantage and still unmatched in most of these adjacent programs.
Appreciate your insight, I just wanted to add that in this case, it’s a complementary academic effort, not a commercial IP threat. You’re spot on.
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Barunuuk

07/09/25 11:19 AM

#774910 RE: Bright Boy #774889

FLASHWORKS IS GAME CHANGER IN ITSELF!! Flashworks itself provides much economic value itself to the company, not including the vaccine.
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exwannabe

07/09/25 12:51 PM

#774934 RE: Bright Boy #774889

[Re Mill Creek]That’s because others are expanding tumor cell lines in vitro from tumor samples instead of using the “freeze/thaw” method DCVax uses and has as part of their patent portfolio.


The freeze/thaw patent dates back over 20 years and is expired. It was also somewhat limited. Many have used this process to make an ATL-DC in trials, and at least one commercially.

The reason some use autologous with an expansion step is to get a better quality lysate and need less material. Drawback is the time, it really matters here.

The reason some use allogenic is that autologous is often not possible. Many patients do not have surgery for GBM. Drawback is not as well matched for antigen targets.

There is no best way. And there is no NWBO patent protection on that. There is no longer any patent protection on DCVax-L as used in the P3. You do understand the -L P3 IND was submitted about 22 years ago? You do understand patents expire?
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beartrap12

07/09/25 1:44 PM

#774946 RE: Bright Boy #774889

Bright Boy, thanks for this very detailed explanation of what Mill Creek is doing and why we shouldn't be worried.

BB said:

It’s basically a work around (our patent). What they’re also missing is how the DCs themselves are manufactured and likely have nothing close to what NWBO has or the ability to mass manufacture DCs let alone to the high quality making. I’m guessing they’ll want to eventually come to NWBO as a partner in some way for at least the DCs

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