Replies to post #523750 on Tornado Alley (PROG)

[blackhawks]

Your 'if tomorrows' presume Trump continuing in the presidency, so of course no one is going to trust what comes next from Trump.

I say other nations are and should be behaving as if The U.S. is at the very least not behaving as an ally though not yet acting as an adversary, save towards Ukraine.

No intelligently led nation will permanently shut the door on a country's whose post WWII, Cold War, alliance building, NATO supporting history is the polar opposite from the present rogue behavior of a corrupt inept president.

[Zorax]

If, tomorrow, Donald Trump revoked his entire regime of tariffs, it would not matter. It might temporarily delay some economic pain, but the rest of the world now understands that it must move forward without America.

I disagree with that statement. If we shoot shitface today, clean out ALL the trash, throw out the billionaires or disconnect them from our government, it would be up to who outed them to prove by acts that we will work with the world to make this bullshit right. The world knows that 95% of America is NOT with these criminals and haven't changed in our ideology. fascism works on propaganda and fear and lies to make people believe they have total power. This administration does not.

Fear mongering about a vast minority in power is giving up. A minority cabal has taken over the heads of state by force and that's all that is trying to control right now.
The 1/7th of the population of stupids of 320 million that voted for him are only guilty of that and many of those are waking up.

[fuagf]

Russian fighter jet 'violated NATO territory' after Estonia tried to detain 'shadow fleet' tanker

"[...]If, tomorrow, Donald Trump abandoned his quest to annex Greenland and committed himself
to the defense of Ukraine and the perpetuation of NATO, it would not matter. The free world
now understands that its long-term security plans must be made with the understanding
that America is a potential adversary, not an ally."

by Yuliia Taradiuk May 15, 2025 1:46 PM


For illustrative purposes: Oil embargo-breaking tanker FACCA, which sails under Panama's flag and is part of Russia’s so-called “shadow fleet” of oil tankers, which helps it circumvent Western sanctions. (Vessel Finder)

A Russian military jet "violated NATO territory" after the Estonian Navy made an attempt to intercept a tanker thought to belong to Moscow's "shadow fleet," Estonian Foreign Minister Margus Tsahkna said on May 15 in comments reported by Reuters.

Speaking in Antalya, Turkey, ahead of a NATO informal meeting, Tsahkna said the Russian aircraft was deployed to "check the situation" after the ship refused to cooperate with Estonian authorities and was being escorted back to Russian waters.

"And this fighter jet violated NATO territory for close to one minute," Tsahkna said, adding: "(The) Russian Federation is ready to protect the 'shadow fleet'... the situation is really serious."

Russia's "shadow fleet" consists of aging tankers used to circumvent sanctions, including those imposed by the EU, U.K., and U.S. Ukraine recently sanctioned captains of these vessels, targeting Russian and Iranian nationals involved in illicit oil exports.

[ Insert: One of Russia's 'shadow fleet' may have sabotaged
power cables in the Baltic Sea. But what is it?
[...]Here's what we know.
What is Russia's shadow fleet?
Russia's shadow fleet consists of aging vessels with obscure ownership acquired to evade Western sanctions amid the war in Ukraine.
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=175623033]


A growing portion of Russia's oil tanker fleet is being forced to reflag as sanctions intensify, disrupting Moscow's oil export logistics and forcing tankers to re-register in less reputable jurisdictions, Bloomberg reported on Jan. 23.

According to the Estonian media outlet ERR, Russia sent a Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jet to check on the status of the tanker Jaguar, which was sailing through international waters in the Gulf of Finland.

Estonian authorities said the tanker lacked a flag, meaning it was not authorized to sail in international waters.

To carry out the interception, Estonia deployed an AgustaWestland AW139 helicopter, an M28 Skytruck reconnaissance aircraft, and the EML Raju patrol vessel, according to Militarny.

After the incident on May 13 it returned to the Russian port of Primorsk.

Previously, on April 11, the Estonian Navy for the first time detained .. https://kyivindependent.com/in-first-case-estonia-detains-russian-shadow-fleet-oil-tanker/ .. an oil tanker Kiwala, belonging to the shadow fleet.

https://kyivindependent.com/russian-jet-violated-nato-territory-after-estonia-tried-to-detain-shadow-fleet-tanker/