Its why people are bailing this will be an incredibly long term hold to ever make any money. Like you said 5 years just to get the reinbursments. It is currently not at all a good investment if fact its down a good 65% since the vaunted dennr took over and we have not had one piece of good news since he took over. We all got duped by him and I fell for his sales pitch big time. Call me negatgive all you want but he has been a complete disaster and there is no end in site right now. Europe seems to be a losing battle and this thing should have been sold long ago. And just what would they have in their pocket denner has not had a thing in his pocked the whole 19 months. The disaster of a investor conference was the best they got.