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Me too. Out all night at friend's place around that age. One rule: Don't get in trouble with the police. LOL He may have been more worried about how it would have reflected on him. Don't know. He afforded us a decent life when young. Say that for him. And all the different forms of blackjack. Chicago always comes to mind even before here. Two down, whatever 5? up. Last down. Spades wild was it?? Liked it.

I remember you'd said earlier you had avoided heroin. Probably knew others who had abused it to their death. You might remember (just saw you've read it .. https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=168419987 .) Tried it because i been told directly by a dr. friend of Dad's (the one i could talk to most easily, we were friends) and read in many other places it was less addictive than heroin. Had to see for myself. Six months roughly experiment, good enough. Snorted only. Quit easily. Just stopped, no problem. After reading use it once you are gone. Propaganda really does suck big time.

Chuckle, your mention of it led me to a walkabout, wondering where i'd mentioned that particular experimentation first. Snagged some interesting old posts, Later to later: umm, with recent legalization of cannabis, hopefully it's even more Back to the Future too. ;-) You will enjoy at least a couple of them: [

Trump Is Freaking Out About the Wrong Border: Killer Fentanyl Is Coming From Canada
""100% of heroin/fentanyl epidemic is because we don't have a WALL."
— Ann Coulter on Tuesday, January 30th, 2018 in a tweet"
[...]During Prohibition, it’s estimated that 60-90 percent of booze entering the United States came from distilleries and breweries north of the U.S. border.
P - The border between Windsor, Ontario, and Detroit was a nexus of post-war drug trafficking; and until the early 1980s, heroin traffickers associated with fragments of the French Connection were still funneling large quantities of heroin from French-speaking Quebec to distribution networks in New York
December 17, 2018 -- https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=145515373

The Heroin Crisis in Trump’s Backyard
In Palm Beach County, where ‘sober homes’ trap addicts and scam insurance companies, the cure is as bad as the disease
July 04, 2017 -- https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=132713634

Inside a Killer Drug Epidemic: A Look at America’s Opioid Crisis
[...]Opioid addiction is America’s 50-state epidemic. It courses along Interstate highways in the form of cheap smuggled heroin, and flows out of “pill mill” clinics where pain medicine is handed out like candy. It has ripped through New England towns, where people overdose in the aisles of dollar stores, and it has ravaged coal country, where addicts speed-dial the sole doctor in town licensed to prescribe a medication.
P - Public health officials have called the current opioid epidemic the worst drug crisis in American history, killing more than 33,000 people
July 03, 2017 -- https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=132700064 .. Piddly compared to Covid and Omicron.

'This Is Working': Portugal, 12 Years after Decriminalizing Drugs
August 21, 2016 - https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=124676737

LOL No not me - Dealing with age
Date July 12, 2014
Whether driven by idealism, necessity or greed, an increasing number of elderly Australians are
supplementing their pensions with a spot of drug distribution. Mandy Sayer meets some of them.
August 06, 2014 -- https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=105020208

you're right .. "$1.5T over 41 years would mean an average of $36.59B/year" .. and ..

Costs to taxpayers
A 2008 study by Harvard economist Jeffrey A. Miron has estimated that legalizing drugs would save taxpayers $76.8 billion a year in the United States — $44.1 billion from law enforcement savings, and at least $32.7 billion in tax revenue ($6.7 billion from marijuana, $22.5 billion from cocaine and heroin, remainder from other drugs).
April 30, 2013 -- https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=87390996

[Australia] New unit to crack down on prison corruption
August 17, 2012 -- https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=78666764

War on drugs ‘a failure,’ international panel declares
[...]The commission notes that countries that rely on repression when dealing with users of injectable drugs, such as Russia and Thailand, end up with high rates of HIV transmission. Britain, Switzerland, Germany and Australia, which have harm-reduction strategies such as needle exchanges, injection sites or legal heroin programs, however, have much lower rates of HIV among injected-drug users.
P - In Britain, opiate and crack cocaine users that received drug treatment in the community were 48 per cent less likely to reoffend, the report says.
P - Don’t waste time nabbing the small fry
June 03, 2011 -- https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=63842126

"Criminal Kosovo: America’s Gift to Europe" ..
[...]U.S. media have given more attention to hearsay allegations of Julian Assange’s sexual encounters with two talkative Swedish women than to an official report accusing Kosovo prime minister Hashim Thaci of running a criminal enterprise which, among almost every other crime in the book, has murdered prisoners in order to sell their vital organs on the world market.
March 22, 2011 -- https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=61244847

Now how to reduce the market for heroin? More intellect, honesty caring, money and effective programs are needed.

June 14, 2010 -- https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=51248533

Brilliantly said, it is an an excellent personal note ..

Intelligence & civility were thrown out the door by an alcoholic bungler, a deserter, a cheater at every turn
in his life AND in every sense of the word ...PLUS a religious whacko who thought he was on a mission from
God. To make it even worse he was enabled + used by the creepiest political criminals in America's past .. . -

this wasn't his, but .. from F6's post you replied to ..
1978
The Taraki government proceeded to legalize labor unions, and set up a minimum wage, a progressive income tax, a literacy campaign, and programs that gave ordinary people greater access to health care, housing, and public sanitation. Fledgling peasant cooperatives were started and price reductions on some key foods were imposed.
[...]The Taraki government moved to eradicate the cultivation of opium poppy. Until then Afghanistan had been producing more than 70 percent of the opium needed for the world’s heroin supply. The government also abolished all debts owed by farmers, and began developing a major land reform program. Ryan believes that it was a “genuinely popular government and people looked forward to the future with great hope.”
P - But serious opposition arose from several quarters. The feudal landlords opposed the land reform program that infringed on their holdings. And tribesmen and fundamentalist mullahs vehemently opposed the government’s dedication to gender equality and the education of women and children.
P - Because of its egalitarian and collectivist economic policies the Taraki government also incurred the opposition of the US national security state. Almost immediately after the PDP coalition came to power, the CIA, assisted by Saudi and Pakistani military, launched a large scale intervention into Afghanistan on the side of the ousted feudal lords, reactionary tribal chieftains, mullahs, and opium traffickers.
May 07, 2010 -- https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=49889766

With the thought of finding the first mention on the personal experimantation long gone am setting this first. It's a good one to finish with:
DesertDrifter, thanks, interesting. 40% of the income of Mendocino county, that's news. Would never have thought of that.
P - Yes, prohibition of alcohol in the US has provided an excellent historical account of that situation, and certainly much of the money and resources spent on the so-called war against drugs could be better spent elsewhere.
P - Alcohol worse? Could be, am not sure. Only more long term users or mari and more scientific studies will give more light on that down the track. Heroin has been used and still is with little serious, if any harmful affect. Still used by many as a social drug. Same with cocaine and others. It's the abuse of any drug, even prescription drugs, see Elvis? .. which is key.
P - Underlying causes of drug abuse, of course is crucial
October 08, 2009 -- https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=42337618