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hoffmann6383

08/26/22 7:58 PM

#508459 RE: HyGro #508456

entire narrative is nonsense
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JimSmith111

08/26/22 8:02 PM

#508461 RE: HyGro #508456

This post is completely detached from reality.
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LearningEveryTrade

08/26/22 8:52 PM

#508465 RE: HyGro #508456

WRONG Dr. Liau has no such trial.... more false statements.

HyGro

Re: skitahoe post# 508372

Friday, August 26, 2022 7:49:38 PM

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But yet Dr. Liau, the NWBO Ph3 trial lead clinician, is using PFS as the lead efficacy endpoint for her NCI/UCLA Keytruda/ATL combo trial. Are you saying she's incompetent?

Funny how the PFS pseudo-progression only happened after DCVax-L failed to meet the PFS primary endpoint. Especially after Dr. Liau published a peer-reviewed journal article in 2018, over a decade after the trial started confirming the PFS primary endpoint of the trial. What happened from 2018 through 2021 when the PFS endpoint was thrown out as the primary endpoint

Regulators are going to have plenty of questions about tossing out the original protocol, replace it with a new protocol that included recurrent GBM that wasn't even part of the trial design from the beginning. Then the confounding of the naive OS that they are now using as the "new" primary endpoint. Going to be interesting to see how the FDA responds to the application based on the Phase 3 trial.

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Dr Bala

08/26/22 9:48 PM

#508476 RE: HyGro #508456

Total nonsense.
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Extremist223

08/27/22 4:49 AM

#508498 RE: HyGro #508456

No person's investment should trump scientific progress.

A more accurate assessment would be that cancer is very heterogeneous and finding single agents that work for the entire group is difficult. That being said, because we are able to distinguish one person's cancer from another's, that is the exact reason why we would have an adaptable trial. In other words, we can prove that patients will respond differently because their cancer is genetically different. So we should run a trial on all-comers and figure out exactly who those surviving patients are, then write a journal article about those findings and seek an approval based on those biomarkers. When you know for years that you are driving positive results for patients based on the infiltration of t-cells, but that you don't yet know exactly how to pin point who those patients are, the mechanics of this trial make perfect sense.

These shorts seem to want to say that we have to run a phase 3 trial in hundreds of patients to prove efficacy, but also mad that we couldn't identify the biomarker ahead of time in trials of 20 patients. Contradictory neural network.

Everyone agrees that taking all-comers and deducing after the fact where the therapy works is more cost effective than chancing a pre-chosen biomarker from a phase 2 of 20 patients and then running a multi-hundred patient trial only to fail to the sample size of the phase 2.

DEDUCTION IS SCIENTIFIC RIGOR

Furthermore, allowing the crossover to the placebo arm certainly makes a lot of sense when you can both visually verify immune cell infiltration with MRI and have established survival curves for glioblastoma. The survival curves remain nearly unchanged even across time, but again to be as accurate as possible they are comparing to the contemporaneous period.

These doctors are working at the best institutions around the globe and they are straight up kicking ass. They have convinced me that they are creating best practice even if it takes longer than it should.

Liau has known for a long time now that she is driving positive results for patients, even if it is not all of them. I can't imagine her heartache knowing that she researched a modality that is efficacious but that she didn't have the money to run a phase 3 trial and get it approved. Her life's work is not going to hang in the balance of original endpoints when flares on the MRI from DCVAX increase survival.

They are performing a lot of work behind the scenes to prove to regulators that this therapy works.

The market makers have their AI chatbot set up to be a whiner in the face of new diagnostic tools. They don't want to hear that DCVAX can be proven to work with these tools, only that we chose endpoints and those endpoints aren't working.

They are the type of people to deny a placebo patient an active therapy, just to separate both arms and prove that a therapy works, but not actually push the boundaries of scientific knowledge and develop the tools to figure things out in even more brilliant ways. Short sellers do not actually care and therefore should be destroyed. They are the very definition of fake caring for scientific rigor.

Can you really believe that they would be upset over the decision of changing endpoints like PFS (while still blinded) when a failure of that due to a flare on MRI caused by t-cell infiltration is positive for the patient? They would throw out decades of work just to support their investment. They have had long enough to cover their position and get out before it's catastrophic for them. Instead, they fight tooth and nail over change that has already happened. Do they not realize that fighting is futile? Merck could still buy the company based on a failed trial over the whiner endpoints because they looked at said data and saw the therapy actually works. That makes their short position explode either way.

So why continue to whine? The only reason left would be American Shorts and Chinese Longs.

If the journal article comes out and through deduction they show that DCVAX is driving positive survival responses it has to get approval. If it doesn't then the FDA is acting in a capacity serving National Security and they will likely start a war.

If you are a short, you should cover immediately, because it wouldn't matter if revised endpoints were a strategy that changed the bet on you part way through. The company can run a strategy that ruins short sellers regardless of the outcome of the trial.

Funny, the FDA would say go whine to someone else about that. They'd say, we don't do that here :). Identical to responses I get from the RCMP.

I don't think we have much to worry about, either these shorts are FRIED by the FED (a flipped endpoints F U) or the shorts are the FED and China will make this work for us because if they bought millions of shares they aren't backing down

So when I go over these facts and I see HyGro show up distraught about endpoints I try to consider who is actually behind the name.

No person's investment should trump scientific progress and short selling should not even exist because it can lead to a FLAG loss and world war 3.

SOLDIERS SHOULD NOT BE LEVERAGED TO SETTLE FLAG VS FLAG STOCK MARKET FINANCIAL DISPUTES.

Finally, you can defeat shortsellers in a risk free guaranteed way and I want to be retired from NWBO's approval


When the shorts build a system where they can participate from the Cayman islands and then walk away, I don't think the Army will have any problem cleaning up THE PROBLEM.

They already walked away from America, don't let them build it like shit and play from an island.

THE FINALE FOR NWBO COULD ONLY BE BEST FINISHED BY A MASSIVE CHINESE LONG POSITION THAT IS UNTRACEABLE. FEDERAL RESERVE DESTROYED.

Money makes flags race to see who can be the biggest asshole.

"Oh you took vitamins out of the food? Well we better do it too or we'll fall behind at social security."

Leave a legacy, not a trail of shit.
I broke this girls heart, but she gets it.


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Roman516

08/27/22 8:33 AM

#508505 RE: HyGro #508456

PFS is the goal of every trial, but real OS results are the ones that doctors, scientist, and professionals take note as it is the patients that are the ones to speak out and share. Not the personal opinion of others.
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MasterBlastr

08/27/22 3:59 PM

#508582 RE: HyGro #508456

LOL, HyGro.

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biosectinvestor

08/27/22 7:34 PM

#508602 RE: HyGro #508456

Note: I whipped this post up in a few minutes, so please excuse any typos...

First of all, the combination trial is a Phase 1 trial, so your notions and ideas are nonsensical. The measure is whether Keytruda helps these patients, not DCVax-L. DCVax-L is effectively the placebo in this trial.

So what they are measuring here is quite complex and doesn't fit your description, but more importantly, they'd not be able to get a measure without waiting 5 years for the last patient to get it if it was purely OS, and again, this is a Phase I combination trial to measure the impact of Keytruda as an additional drug. This is for recurrent patients and they have effectively already shown that for recurrent patients, DCVax-L has a significant impact on OS by itself.

They have numerous measures, all listed, not just one, and they will look at the range of different biomarkers and measures. The primary measure is NOT PFS, nor is it OS.

The SECONDARY measures are OS and PFS, with PFS at 6 months, measured very carefully by a newer standard to avoid the problems they encountered previously. Moreover, there are numerous other measures. Presumably DCVax-L will be already approved when that study is fully evaluated for the effects of the combination, based on a wide range of measures, including biomarkers, that were not fully understood or available on the DCVax-L Phase 3 when it started. Indeed, the primary measures appear to be biomarker measures.

Additionally, since the start of the Phase 3 trial, they have worked on identifying pseudoprogression and have protocols for avoiding what happened there at the start of the trial because they had no way to distinguish what was an unknown complexity introduced by immunotherapies, which trigger immune reactions such as inflation, that can be misidentified by doctors not aware of the disease process with DCVax-L

It's really a silly comment.

Brief Summary:
This phase I trial studies the side effects and how well of pembrolizumab and a vaccine therapy (ATL-DC vaccine) work in treating patients with glioblastoma that has come back (recurrent) and can be removed by surgery (surgically accessible). Immunotherapy with monoclonal antibodies, such as pembrolizumab, may help the body's immune system attack the cancer, and may interfere with the ability of tumor cells to grow and spread. Vaccines, such as ATL-DC vaccine, may help the body build an effective immune response to kill tumor cells. Giving pembrolizumab and ATL-DC vaccine may work better in treating patients with glioblastoma compared to ATL-DC alone.



Also, DCVax-L is the placebo arm in this trial effectively. So the measures are to measure how Keytruda impacts these things, when given in combination with DCVax-L, which is the baseline treatment (standard of care in this trial) for these recurrent patients, in this trial. Also something your point, HyGro, ignores. It's quite critical to understanding what's actually going on here. Additionally, the Principal Investigator is Timothy F Cloughesy. Just FYI.

Primary Outcome Measures:
Cell cycle-related signature [ Time Frame: Up to 6 years ]
Expansion of T cell receptor (TCR) clones [ Time Frame: Up to 6 years ]
Two-sample T-test with Bonferroni adjustment will be used to compare the increase number of expanded TCR clones after dendritic cell (DC) vaccination with PD-1 blockade in Group A versus (vs) DC vaccination with a placebo in Group B.

Incidence of adverse events (AEs) [ Time Frame: Up to 30 days post treatment ]
Adverse events will be graded according to Common Terminology Criteria for Adverse Events (CTCAE) version 4.0. All patients who receive any amount of pembrolizumab/placebo or ATL-DC vaccination will be evaluable for toxicity, serious adverse events (SAEs), and events of clinical interest (ECIs).

Secondary Outcome Measures:
6 month progression-free survival (PFS6) [ Time Frame: At 6 months ] Efficacy will be measured by percent PFS6 as defined by Response Assessment in Neuro-Oncology (RANO) criteria. Kaplan-Meier (KM) curves and median estimates from the KM curves will be provided as appropriate. Percent PFS6 will be estimated from the KM curves and compared to historical controls.

Overall survival (OS) [ Time Frame: Up to 6 years ]
OS will be compared using log rank test.



Other Outcome Measures:
Biomarker analysis [ Time Frame: Up to 6 years ]
The association between biomarkers and clinical outcomes (PFS and OS) will be evaluated using Cox regression. Changes in markers pre- and post- treatment will be assessed using paired t-tests.

TIL (tumor infiltrating lymphocyte) density and TCR (T cell receptor) Clonality in the tumor quantitatively measured by next generation TCR sequencing [ Time Frame: from baseline to surgery ]
The differences of TIL density and TCR Clonality between the archival tumor (pre-treatment) and protocol tumor (post-neoadjuvant treatment) will be assessed using paired T-test, and the association between the changes in TIL density and TCR Clonality and clinical outcome (PFS and OS) will be evaluated using Cox regression.

TIL density and TCR Clonality in the peripheral blood quantitatively measured by next generation TCR sequencing [ Time Frame: from baseline to surgery and post surgery treatment period, up to 24 months ]
The changes of TIL density and TCR Clonality in the peripheral blood from samples collected prior to neoadjuvant treatment and samples collected post-neoadjuvant treatment at each MRI visit will be assessed using paired T-test, and the association between the changes in TIL density and TCR Clonality and clinical outcome (PFS and OS) will be evaluated using Cox regression.

gene expression signature and somatic mutations in the tumor measured by RNA Seq and nano string IO360 [ Time Frame: from baseline to surgery ]
The differences of gene expression signature and somatic mutations between the archival tumor (collected pre-treatment) and protocol tumor (collected post-neoadjuvant treatment) will be assessed using paired T-test, and the association between the changes in the cell cycle related gene expression signature and clinical outcome (PFS and OS) will be evaluated using Cox regression.

gene expression signature from peripheral blood measured by RNA seq and nano string IO360 [ Time Frame: from baseline to surgery and post surgery treatment period, up to 24 months ]
The changes of gene expression signature in the peripheral blood from samples collected prior to neoadjuvant treatment and samples collected post-neoadjuvant treatment at each MRI visit will be assessed using paired T-test, and the association between the changes in gene expression signature and clinical outcome (PFS and OS) will be evaluated using Cox regression.

T cell subset and activation markers within peripheral blood measured by flow cytometry [ Time Frame: from baseline to surgery and post surgery treatment period, up to 24 months ]
The changes of T cell subset and activation markers in the peripheral blood from samples collected prior to neoadjuvant treatment and samples collected post-neoadjuvant treatment at each MRI visit will be assessed using paired T-test, and the association between the changes in T cell subset/activation markers and clinical outcome (PFS and OS) will be evaluated using Cox regression.

TIL quantification including tumor quantification of PD-1, PD-L1, CD3, CD4, CD8, Iba-I, Ki-67 measured by immunohistochemistry of FFPE tissue [ Time Frame: from baseline to surgery ]
The differences of PD-1, PD-L1, CD3, CD4, CD8, Iba-I, Ki-67 protein expression level between the archival tumor (collected pre-treatment) and protocol tumor (collected post-neoadjuvant treatment) will be assessed using paired T-test, and the association between the changes in the protein expression level and clinical outcome (PFS and OS) will be evaluated using Cox regression.



More on measuring to avoid pseudoprogression:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6499019/

Among the challenges to use of earlier response criteria include lack of guidance on pseudoprogression, pseudoresponse and nonenhancing tumor progression. Historical challenges in the field have also been concerned around appropriate surrogates of response and endpoints [6]. RANO working groups was established to address some of these issues and provide guidance on assessment of response and endpoints in neuro-oncology clinical trials. Although the work of RANO initially focused on gliomas, its work has extended to many other areas of neuro-oncology including brain metastases (BM), meningioma, pediatric tumors, spinal metastases and leptomeningeal disease.

This review will discuss the recommendations of the various RANO working groups. Although the primary focus of the RANO effort is to improve the conduct of clinical trials, some of the recommendations may be useful in the routine care of brain tumor patients.



Another problem with some drugs is that using the old standards for measurement, they reduced inflammation, without extending survival, and this came to be known as "pseudoresponse", meaning false response. The FDA is also concerned with this for some of the other drugs that were approved based on PFS and other proxy measures for survival, on an accelerated basis, but then those drugs did not extend survival. Keytruda and Opdivo were re-evaluated because of this just last year.

With development and growing use of anti-angiogenic agents that affect vascular permeability and contrast enhancement, the limitations and shortcomings of response criteria, such as RECIST and MacDonald, has become more apparent and necessitated changes to these criteria [12]. Similar to RECIST, difficulty in measurement of irregular borders is not overcome by MacDonald. Agents such as bevacizumab and other anti-angiogenic drugs in its class are known to reduce contrast enhancement, contributing to high response rates and prolonged progression-free survival; however, without impact in extending overall survival [11]. This is now known as ‘pseudoresponse,’ where the decrease in contrast enhancement is secondary to changes to vascular permeability, rather than a direct reduction in tumor size [13]. To address this issue, the RANO-HGG criteria requires that responses should be relatively durable and confirmed by a repeat MRI at least 4 weeks later [3].

The use of agents such as bevacizumab that reduce vascular permeability also introduced the problem of nonenhancing tumor progression that confounds the interpretation of PD. In up to 40% of patients treated with bevacizumab, the contrast-enhancing disease may appear stable but there is increase in nonenhancing disease captured on T2/FLAIR sequences indicating disease progression [14]. The MacDonald criteria focus solely on contrast-enhancing disease and does not consider nonenhancing disease progression. The RANO-HGG criteria attempts to address this issue by including increase in nonenhancing disease in the definition of progression (Table 2) [3]. Because of the difficulties in quantifying nonenhancing disease progression, the RANO-HGG criteria suggests that any qualitative increase in nonenhancing disease constitutes progression. This lack of a quantifiable measure of nonenhancing progression is a limitation of the current RANO-HGG criteria. In addition, there is debate regarding the usefulness of evaluating nonenhancing disease in trials involving agents that do not affect vascular permeability. Evaluation of nonenhancing disease is also problematic in immunotherapy trials since these agents are likely to increase peritumoral edema which cannot be easily differentiated from nonenhancing disease progression. As a result this component of the RANO-HGG criteria is often omitted from immunotherapy trials.



The RANO-HGG criteria also attempts to address the phenomenon of pseudoprogression, characterized by an increase in contrast enhancement in the absence of true disease progression, typically following concurrent chemoradiation (Figures 1 & 2) [15]. Some studies suggest that this occurs more frequently in tumors in which there is methylation of the DNA repair enzyme, O6-methylguanine-DNA methyltransferase (MGMT) [16], although other studies have not confirmed this [17]. The changes of pseudoprogression are expected to improve with time, whereas true disease progression will continue to increase. In the absence of tissue confirmation, there is no available imaging modality which reliably distinguishes true from pseudoprogression, although perfusion imaging may occasionally be helpful [18,19]. The RANO-HGG criteria suggests that within the first 3 months after completion of chemoradiation, even if the MRI shows increase enhancement patients should not be considered to have progressed and be eligible for clinical trials for recurrent disease because of the difficulty in differentiating pseudoprogression from true progression. The exceptions are patients who develop new areas of enhancement outside of the radiation field (beyond the high-dose region or 80% iso-dose line) or if there is unequivocal evidence of viable tumor on histopathologic sampling. Because of the difficulty in differentiating pseudoprogression from true progression there is the suggestion that the first postradiation MRI, rather than the postoperative MRI, should be used as the baseline scan [18].

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LearningEveryTrade

08/29/22 1:34 PM

#509010 RE: HyGro #508456

hygro, can you give me Dr.Liau's trial number for her NCI/UCLA Keytruda/ATL combo trial ??

But yet Dr. Liau, the NWBO Ph3 trial lead clinician, is using PFS as the lead efficacy endpoint for her NCI/UCLA Keytruda/ATL combo trial. Are you saying she's incompetent?

Funny how the PFS pseudo-progression only happened after DCVax-L failed to meet the PFS primary endpoint. Especially after Dr. Liau published a peer-reviewed journal article in 2018, over a decade after the trial started confirming the PFS primary endpoint of the trial. What happened from 2018 through 2021 when the PFS endpoint was thrown out as the primary endpoint

Regulators are going to have plenty of questions about tossing out the original protocol, replace it with a new protocol that included recurrent GBM that wasn't even part of the trial design from the beginning. Then the confounding of the naive OS that they are now using as the "new" primary endpoint. Going to be interesting to see how the FDA responds to the application based on the Phase 3 trial.