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conix, Your post your usual counterfactual (Chicago) - ignorantly disingenuous
(your questions, your post in toto) and superciliously indulgent meanderings.

States with the most gun violence share one trait

Zach Wolf
Analysis by Zachary B. Wolf, CNN

Updated 1959 GMT (0359 HKT) May 26, 2022

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(CNN) - People can debate the need for more or fewer armed guards at American schools, the use of active shooter drills and the wisdom of the idea that maybe even teachers should be packing heat.

But there's one thing that is indisputable in the available data on gun violence -- and the data is limited since until recently the federal government was effectively barred from gathering it.

The indisputable fact is that where there are more guns, there are more gun deaths.

This is true despite Texas Gov. Greg Abbott's attempt to explain away gun deaths at the elementary school in his state this week by comparing them to gun violence in Chicago.

"I hate to say this, but there are more people who were shot every weekend in Chicago than there are in schools in Texas," Abbott said on Wednesday, arguing stricter gun laws are not a solution.

There are indeed a horrific number of gun deaths in Chicago each year. CNN has covered the problem.

But there are more gun deaths in Texas, by far, than in any other state, according to data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention .. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm .

Texas suffered 4,164 gun deaths in 2020, the most recent year for which the CDC has published data.

That's a rate of 14.2 deaths per 100,000 Texans.

California, by comparison, saw 3,449 deaths, a gun death rate of 8.5.

Texas does not have the highest gun death rate, however. Far from it.

The top states by gun death rates are:

* Mississippi -- 28.6.
* Louisiana -- 26.3.
* Wyoming -- 25.9.
* Missouri -- 23.9.
* Alabama -- 23.6.
* Alaska -- 23.5.

Here's where the lack of good federal data haunts us. It's hard to find solid gun ownership rates. The RAND Corporation, a non-profit research organization, has tried and published data on average gun ownership by state between 2007 and 2016.

All of those states with the highest gun death rates are among the ones with the highest gun ownership rates.

* Mississippi -- 50% of adults live in a household with a gun.
* Louisiana -- 48%.
* Wyoming -- 59%.
* Missouri -- 48%.
* Alabama -- 50%.
* Alaska -- 59%.

Where there are fewer guns, there are fewer gun deaths. The states with the lowest gun death rates in 2020, per the CDC (alongside the percentage of homes with a gun in 2007-2016, per RAND) were:

* Hawaii -- 3.4 (8% of adults live in a household with a gun).
* Massachusetts -- 3.7 (10%).
* New Jersey -- 5 (8%).
* Rhode Island -- 5.1 (11%).
* New York -- 5.3 (14%).

The advocacy group Everytown for Gun Safety .. https://everytownresearch.org/rankings/ , which endorses stronger gun laws, takes the CDC data on gun deaths per 100,000 residents and puts that alongside each state's gun laws. The states with lower gun violence rates are mostly among the states with the strongest gun laws.

Conversely, with the exception of Louisiana, the states with the highest gun death rates and highest gun ownership rates are among the states Everytown says have the most lax gun laws.

Most gun deaths are suicides

Obviously mass shootings can happen anywhere, as we saw earlier this month in Buffalo, New York, and this week in Uvalde, Texas.

But most gun deaths do not involve a mass shooting. Most gun deaths are suicides. In 2020, 54% of gun deaths in the US were suicides, which are far less likely to get sustained public attention, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of CDC data.

CNN wrote in 2019 about the rising suicide rate and a study published in the journal JAMA Network Open that found higher suicide rates in rural areas -- and, in cities, if there was a gun shop in the neighborhood.

Cities often have higher gun violence rates than states

Chicago does have a horrifically high murder rate, although the guns there often come from a neighboring state.

There are higher murder rates in other cities, and they're often in places with more lax gun laws, like Jackson, Mississippi. Read this CNN dispatch about murders in Jackson. It is heartbreaking.

According to Everytown's analysis of FBI data .. https://everytownresearch.org/report/city-data/ , the cities with the highest gun homicide rates in 2020 were all in states with lax gun laws:

* Jackson, Mississippi -- 69 gun homicides per 100,000 people.
* Gary, Indiana -- 64.
* St. Louis -- 50.
* New Orleans -- 48.
* Memphis, Tennessee -- 47.

Baltimore, where the gun laws are relatively strict, was next.

Murder rates rising

The Covid-19 pandemic has led to a rise in gun violence, and in January, a CNN analysis found 10 of the nation's most populous cities set homicide records last year, mostly because of guns. The cities were: Philadelphia; Austin, Texas; Columbus, Ohio; Indianapolis; Portland, Oregon; Memphis, Tennessee; Louisville, Kentucky; Milwaukee; Albuquerque, New Mexico; and Tucson, Arizona.

In the large cities hardest hit by gun violence, there are areas that are relatively untouched compared with areas that are under attack, as researchers from the Brookings Institution found in a report published last month.

In Chicago, they said, gun homicides in 2019 and 2020 were concentrated in neighborhoods far from the city center "that have long suffered from severe disinvestment as a result of white flight, and are now centers of concentrated poverty with predominantly Black residents."

In other words, it's generations of neglect and division that help drive the murder rate in cities. All these deaths -- rural suicide, urban murder and mass shootings everywhere -- have one thing in common: guns.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/26/politics/gun-violence-data-what-matters/index.html

YOU have been told more than once before that Chicago is NOT the worst city for gun killings. Yet you ignore that thanks to your poisonous political partisanship.

So, seriously, screw you and your ignorantly disingenuous, dishonest and simply just arrogantly stupid:

"So what would you like to do with the gun issue, fuagf? Not that you have any input in the US. Confiscate all guns in America?
P - Perhaps prosecute gun violence in Chicago too? Or just if they are "mass killings"--even though there are mass killings almost every weekend in Chicago and their is no real consequences.
P - You shout "Defund the Police" and crime spirals out of control. Your solution is what???
P - YOUR solution is what???
P - Please...no cut and paste dissertations. YOUR solution. We want to know from Down Under.
P - G'day, mate."

You remain and will always be a phony, self-serving, presumptuous bitch.

Add, conix, you also know i do not and have never shouted "defund the police" as you assholes interpret
it to mean. That you would put that in there is just more evidence of your ever-present dishonesty. See again:

conix, "Defund the police, Crime is not a problem, bail is a problem." You mock. You laugh
at. Now, instead of always behaving like a surface-lovin' water slider, consider Camden N.J.
P - George Floyd death: How US police are trying to win back trust
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Why not ask "junior America" conix?

How much more simple could it be than to ask all of the same people who share all the same history, but who don't have a mass murder problem, or a not quite mass murder problem, or a suicide by gun problem. Do you think the US would be the first civilized modern society to outlaw hand guns and assault rifles?
I'd say you have no reasonable argument because there simply isn't a cogent one to make.
Are you going to flame me for being Canadian, so "none of my business"-- like you flame fuagf for being Australian? You most definitely have a racial-like hatred for foreigners it would seem, beyond being a mere Nationalist.

So what would you like to do with the gun issue, fuagf? Not that you have any input in the US. Confiscate all guns in America?