Frobinso, you can thank Richard for pulling all of that together, he is one of this message board's greatest resources, recently Richard was also pointing back to the EPIC "race" for true Next-Gen modulator winner and perhaps he will post some of the insights given by some of the Industry titans in attendance, let's not forget that because of COVID, Investors got the opportunity to be "fly on the wall" at many of these great informational conferences that contained information that was relatively close to being inside information in a way, at least for those able to discern it, stay tuned, more to follow