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Q: You advocate a no-fly zone?
A: Absolutely. The airspace belongs to Ukraine. If they ask for help, why can’t we fly airplanes in there? Say, oh, it’s because of the Russians, they might come up and contest it. That’s the Russians’ problem. They’re going to get shot down. Okay, then what? Putin says he’s going to use a nuclear weapon. If we back away from that challenge, if we don’t confront it, this is like a two-pair poker bluff, for incredibly high stakes.
GEN. WESLEY CLARK (RET.), CNN MILITARY ANALYST, FORMER NATO SUPREME ALLIED COMMANDER, EUROPE: They're trying to reconstitute some of the units that were beaten up, in unsuccessful attempts, to seize Kyiv. And that's for sure.
But they're going to keep their artillery, and rocket forces, trained on Kyiv. They're going to continue to pound the city. There is likely that the forces around Kharkiv, and Izium, are going to try to go south, to try to cut off the Ukrainian forces that are holding the Donbas pocket there. This is classic Eastern European military tactics. They're going to try to do an envelopment of the Ukrainian forces that are east of the Dnieper River, cut them off and annihilate them. And then, they'll swing back, and then try to encircle Kyiv.
So, look, Vladimir Putin is very clear. He wants to eradicate Ukraine. We shouldn't - we shouldn't take any solace in the limited counterattacks, given by the Ukrainians that have been successful, or the fact that what Russia says about redeploying. This is a long fight that's going to continue...................
..........BLITZER: General Clark, the Ukrainians have been fighting, this war, with mostly defensive weapons, like the Javelin, for example, the Stinger missiles. What do they need - what do they need, right now, to go from defense, to offense?
CLARK: Well, they need a different set of weapons. They have some of them, in limited quantities.
They need armored fighting vehicles, tanks, mobile artillery, long- range rockets, and they need air cover. And they don't have that. Not in sufficient numbers. And most of those systems are of Soviet origin. So, we don't have them, to give.
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This has to come, from our European allies, and our friends, around the world, who countries, like Kuwait and others, who bought Russian equipment. They've got to belly up, and give it up.
Because this war, in Ukraine, is about everybody. This is about an assault, on the international system, of international law, and a rules-based order. If Putin gets away with this, he'll go after the next one. So, everyone should be involved, and they should be generous, in giving these weapons up, to the Ukrainians, who are using them quite well.
But without support, from our East European allies, and those others, in artillery ammunition, rockets, the armored fighting vehicles, the MiGs, the other aircraft, the Sukhois, they need, look, Russia will consolidate and close in, around Ukraine, and we're going to have an ethnic cleansing humanitarian tragedy, like the world has never seen, if we don't stop it.
BLITZER: Wow!
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