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clarencebeaks21

11/21/21 9:52 PM

#701903 RE: kthomp19 #701893

Agree with you. On the point of ('The debt won't need to be restructured because FnF have positive net worth'), also, I would posit that F/F debt won't be restructured because UST has expressly guaranteed they remain current while its commitments are in place.

If and When the UST commitment ends, I find it impossible to even imagine that a penny of F/F unsecured debt would go unpaid. Imagine a US debt rating downgrade; that alone would contribute significantly to a vote for replacing the dollar as world reserve currency. It's a nightmare of unimaginable consequences. I wish I could say it can't happen; but I used to think that about global pandemics. Consider me taken down 1

The alternative would risk the very nightmare scenario that Congress, POTUS, UST, FHFA (et al) ostensibly worked together so hard to avoid: namely, a downgrading of US debt, and -- invariably -- the dollar losing its annual GDP booster-shot from serving as world reserve currency.

In comparison, the Great Crisis would seem like little more than a dropped candle compared to this global nuclear-winter. Perish that t
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Donotunderstand

11/22/21 10:26 AM

#701927 RE: kthomp19 #701893

negative 126B

in that math - which I do not disagree with (if I understand it) - can you show with TWO (key - even a bit rolled up) numbers THE MATH

How much do we "owe" the Treasury per the Treasury and I assume our books?

That is what I think is the LP ???? (investment in - cash in - and then any missing 10% dividend -- and then the IOUs written each month or quarter - etc.) ---- what is that at

I agree - that if F and F need to pay back the full amount Treasury shows on the books ---- we - as common - are in trouble as only MASSIVE dilution saves the day

But IMO - the LP might well dissapear in a negotiation (then we can use earnings with no SPO --- but IMO should assume Treasury pursuing 100B cash from their 4B WTS/common shares)

Not even sure if JPS survive if the Treasury argues it is owed that much money (as I do not think the SPO market will fund it !!!! )