kiwi, we'll never know, we have NO idea how many reps we have the numbers vary. But I know what you're saying the ROI is no where near what it would have been if it weren't for the dreaded 3/31/20 disaster. It's more costly to fire people, unemployment etc let them see the writing on the wall and have the reps leave on their own volition, it's cheaper. Maybe that's another reason why they stopped advertising???? The GV's benefit more than we do.