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Steady_T

08/29/21 1:39 AM

#328041 RE: boi568 #328039

Very good post. I agree with your responses all the way.


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frrol

08/29/21 9:14 AM

#328059 RE: boi568 #328039

Couldn't have explained better.

(One minor note: a non-placebo OLE can be ascribed p values. It's just that the null hypothesis would be "no improvement from X" rather than "no better than placebo". And that X would be baseline, historical SOC, etc.)
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Bourbon_on_my_cornflakes

08/29/21 3:07 PM

#328089 RE: boi568 #328039

Absolute Rot: Cutting short the proof process means that marketed drugs may not work at all, and this would clearly be at the expense of people paying for something useless (think Aduhelm as an example of a regulatory failure) or, worse, harmful (think Thalidomide in Europe in the 1960s). They require that extra time to get the decision right, and cutting out that time carries an even heavier price to public health.

The p3 is not a safety trial, the safety of 273 is well established by several trials and years of data. So the cost of letting more people being irretrievably damaged by alz is real, and there is no offsetting safety benefit.

More Rot: Ultimately, the drug may work or the drug may not work "whether a peek occurs or not." But we won't know for sure if it works unless it passes the necessary statistical tests for efficacy and safety, and for reasons that have recently been explained here, passage of the efficacy test can be imperiled by an interim peek.

The trial was originally just going to be a 225 person Australia trial, the other arms in the EU, Canada and UK were added later. The 225 person trial should show effectiveness if AVXL has the goods. Even if not, the other trial arm could show it. In some ways combining this into an all or nothing roll of the dice is the big risk.
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powerwalker

08/29/21 3:22 PM

#328093 RE: boi568 #328039

boi, in general, I … (author’s comments have been deleted).

As to the specific remarks (though some of your #'s are absent):

1) See frrol’s second point:

https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=165674753

2) The initial announcement stated that the trial would be international in scope. Yet, it wasn’t until 50% enrollment was reached in Australia that other countries were “open for business.” I find that strange.

3) If you want to be like Biden, it is “C’mon, man.” Anyway, you nor anyone other than Dr. M and a few others know if a peek occurred. You are speculating like me; Dr. M said Anavex would be able to take a peek, thus, it is not 100% certainty, it hasn’t.

4) There is no argument, except from you, that waiting 18 months, more sufferers are going to deteriorate to such a point, that Blarcamesine will not help them. If the data were strong from the “peek,” then the regulatory agency that need more proof can dictate a P4 (open label, maybe) be conducted with the final results from the P3, but, at least, the product would be available for purchase by those who need it. [IMO, the data from the first 225 will be very strong and persuasive!]

5) C’mon, man! The trial numbers for the first 225 are set and ready for analysis (as well, as another 100 or so who have completed the trial since February, but should be in included in the “peek”). Plus, when the 75 placebo “victims” are analyzed in the OLE, there will be definitive results showing Blarcamesine’s strength.

6) I am not the one who is claiming an interim look will taint the numbers, so I don’t need to do any research. That job belongs to the claimant(s) to prove this fact. Investor points out in post #328048

https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=165674217

but, I claim the need to address AD’s mortality is as urgent as oncology’s if 18 months must be tacked on. During those 18 month, 900,000 American sufferers will die (using 10 years AD cycle); another 6 million in ROW, while the same numbers deteriorate to a point that they are not going find relief with Blarcamesine.

Another group that would benefit from a "peek," are the caretakers. They will start to have some relief from their exhausting job, too, especially, if the sufferers are able to go to the bathroom on their own.

Peace, boi, ... and BTW, you are no Bio!
Powerwalker


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