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newmedman

10/09/19 7:26 PM

#328474 RE: Dale C #328465

I don't think it's a political tool. Just look at Syria next week and decide for yourself.

If we are going to be the top dog, we can't put our tail between our legs then come home and cry about it.

I agree with you on Vietnam although I was born in 1970 and my father was a bad product so I'm a little biased.

The stuff that happened in between then and now can be debated ad nauseam. It's a bigger picture than you think. It's not just the middle east, it's the whole world.

Sure, Reagan tore down the wall but somehow was able to fuel the South American drug cartels with very bad foreign policy and shifty dudes under his watch.

The Clinton time had no wars that I can remember aside from who was fighting over a cum stained dress.

The Bush boy brought all his high powered lawyers to rig an election and in the ensuing fight amongst ourselves we got ambushed.

I just see this all coming again, I'm not happy about it, but I'm not scared either.

We are and have always been the 'police force' of the world and we should cherish that and not demean it for every one of those brave men and women who fight for our spot at the top of the food chain.

There was no war in Syria until Turkey invaded them today because WE abandoned our mission at the behest of an adderall laced asshole. North Korea is lobbing bombs around like spaghetti on a wall and China as well as Russia have doors wide open.

By the time this is over we might as well hang the "kick me" sign on our back.

I'm glad I don't have kids, but I still worry for everyone else's.

There's no diplomacy left and we are letting a fucking madman call the shots.

It's not going to end well for anyone.
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blackhawks

10/09/19 7:34 PM

#328477 RE: Dale C #328465

Can you name a major country that HAS obtained a total victory since WWII?

Grenada was 'SQUIRREL!', never mind the dead Marines in Beirut.

We got containment in Korea, and the subsequent success of S. Korea makes it seem like a 'win'.

Vietnam was a misguided attempt to get a Korea type win. Geopolitics was not going to allow for blowing up the dikes and killing 2 million N. Vietnamese on top of the mounting kinetically induced deaths.

Iran and Iraq fought to a stalemate. Ditto India and Pakistan.

Russia marched out of Afghanistan without a victory of any kind.

First Gulf War was a model of how to marshal global support and overwhelming force to win a limited victory, expulsion and preservation of access to Saudi oil.

Face it, WWII was an existential threat. Nothing subsequent has remotely approached that.