I know because I read the transcript of the phone call. Here I assume even you can read. You try it it's not rocket science: https://d2pggiv3o55wnc.cloudfront.net/oann/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf now I know this may be tough for you but you read what the hearsay is then the actual words in the phone call and compare them. Actual vs hearsay always wins.