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[blackhawks]

You are off the rails with slippery slope shit.

Hitler used the word socialism the same way Trump uses MAGA, to mislead the rubes.

Love to see your link to support this...

Bernie has already been outed as praising Cuba, the USSR and China, as models for what he believes.

Neither SS, nor Medicare, nor SNAP benefits promote dependency.

They are all programs bought into and available to Americans who pay taxes.

On that subject, our tax system is both progressive and redistributive. Are the Red States dependent because of all of the money redistributed to them from higher GDP Blue States?

[fuagf]

ForReal, Cute try, your "So, it is kind of important to note what socialism in Germany turned into, under the guise of promoting socialism."

Your problem is the Nazi's were never socialists. The Nazi's purged the socialists and the communists.

5 Myths About The Nazis People Still Believe Today

By Steven Assarian Steven Assarian Mike Bedard Mike Bedard E.M. Caris E.M. Caris Michael Battaglino Michael Battaglino August 25, 2018

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4 Myths: Nazis Were Socialists. After All, They Were Called "National Socialists!"

In America's ongoing game of "I'm not a Nazi, you're the Nazi," many are quick to point to the fact that Hitler's party was called the National Socialist German Workers' Party. "Socialist" is right there in the name, so this must mean that Nazis were socialists.

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And from there, surely anyone who wants affordable healthcare or lower college tuition is no better than Hitler.



"But Republicans also want to revitalize manufacturing, which needs workers ... so they are also the new Nazi party!"

Truth: Hitler Wasn't a Socialist; The Nazis Purged Socialists

Do you consider the Democratic People's Republic of Korea .. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea .. to be either democratic or a republic? Yeah, it turns out that political organizations can call themselves whatever they want. But then, why is "socialist" in the Nazi name? Noted felon .. https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/31/politics/trump-dinesh-dsouza-pardon/index.html .. and lunatic Dinesh D'Souza wrote in his totally objective book .. https://www.theobjectivestandard.com/2018/03/the-big-lie-exposing-the-nazi-roots-of-the-american-left-by-dinesh-dsouza/ .. The Big Lie: Exposing The Nazi Roots Of The American Left that Hitler's socialist sympathies became clear when he said "We are socialists. We are the enemies of today's capitalist system of exploitation."

Shockingly, Hitler never said that .. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hitler-nazis-capitalist-system/ . Those words were spoken by Gregor Strasser, who was a prominent Nazi official ... right up until he was shot and left to bleed to death in 1934 on the Night of the Long Knives, when Hitler's wing of the party murdered or arrested any rivals they saw as threats (and some prominent anti-Nazis for good measure).



Not to editorialize, but this Hitler guy is starting to sound like a real dick.

The Nazi Party's history is complicated, but in its early days it was like many political parties, trying to offer a broad appeal to as many people as possible, which led to different wings with different views. (Hitler considered the name "Social Revolutionary Party," before being convinced it wasn't catchy enough.) The Strasserites .. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strasserism .. agreed with Hitler that Jews were responsible for Germany's woes, because people of all political stripes can be antisemitic shitheads. But Strasser's strain of craziness was also aggressively anti-capitalist, and he felt that Hitler had betrayed the socialist goals the Nazi Party had initially promoted at its creation. There was even a derisive term for Strasserites: Beefsteak Nazis .. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beefsteak_Nazi .. , because they were brown(shirts) on the outside but red on the inside. Man, we've been going to that "Oreo" insult forever.

When labeling Nazis, it's far more productive to focus on the "national" .. http://www.newsweek.com/nazis-democrats-socialists-alt-right-650572 .. part of the party's name, because Hitler held predominantly nationalist views that sought to advance the Aryan race at the cost of everyone else.

[See Trump's demonization of immigrants and his GOP's position on gays and transsexuals.]

The Nazis' hatred of actual socialists can readily be seen in the fact that communists, socialists, social democrats, and trade union leaders were among the first demographics .. https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007329 .. targeted in the Holocaust. Dachau .. http://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/timeline/camps.htm .. was initially built to imprison members of these groups. Have whatever opinion of socialism you want, but saying that Hitler was a socialist is like saying that Thanos is a birth control advocate; maybe some of the words are right, but you've really got to twist the facts to make the argument.

https://www.cracked.com/article_25848_5-myths-about-nazis-people-still-believe-today.html