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ShysterChaser

11/05/06 11:34 AM

#51808 RE: McCloud #51807

Watch out, sir...a breeze of reality might be blowing through your neighborhood.

Don't starting having doubts now---there are only about six (6) weeks left of working days to get the product completed, orders taken, revenue booked, and sending filled order to eager customers. Please help keep your side of the ledger afloat.

Most of the realists who read and post here believe that the train has already left the station, i. e., the last-mile bottleneck has been broken and the problems solved, while RaySpoiltMyInvestment is still looking for the financial wherewithal to purchase a ticket.
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LORTAP KCOTS

11/05/06 11:36 AM

#51809 RE: McCloud #51807

isn't this the exact same scenario that we were led to believe with ANI?
we put our code in there chip and boom we have a product in no time...

as I see it the same, so should you the second time around...
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427Cobra

11/05/06 11:47 AM

#51811 RE: McCloud #51807

McCloud: He was the supervisor for the design of 135 ASICs in one year. Manufacturing is a different event.
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spokeshave

11/05/06 3:54 PM

#51819 RE: McCloud #51807

I know he personally didn't produce them and there was a large staff, however, if they take 6 months doing 135 of them seams difficult to do in a year. That makes me suspicious of the 6 months figure.

Believe what you wish, Ernie. HOwever, you might also want to consider some of these resources:

New tools and methodologies are also coming into play that compress ASIC design cycles, which can stretch out to two yearsfor the most complex chips.

“There are no shortcuts; you cannot eliminate any of the steps,” he said. “You can shave off some time, but for any design today, it would be unrealistic to think ASIC design [from vendor selection through RTL handoff] can be done in less than six months.

http://www.us.design-reuse.com/articles/article2286.html

Already, typical ASIC development time to first silicon is generally around 18 months...

Even a relatively small design fix to bring the device up to desired performance specifications can lead to a catastrophic delay in time-to-market of as much as six to nine months. Today, 24 to 27 months is often the equivalent to an entire product or process generation.

http://www.rtcmagazine.com/home/article.php?id=100227

Here's one for structured ASICs:

In fact, Freescale’s SemiCustom operation can develop ASIC products within a six- to nine-month timeframe, thereby accelerating each customer’s time to market and extending time in market.

http://www.freescale.com/files/abstract/article/LEADERSHIP_SEMICUSTOM.html?tid=ASIChome_geninfo1

Standard Cell designs are extremely complex and therefore take an average of 2-3 years to develop.

http://www.chipx.com/about/index.asp

...it can take up to two years to design and produce a ASIC.

http://www.edn.com/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA489811&partner=eb&industryid=211....

According to this source, typical ASIC production times are 12 to 18 months, with 9 months being the minimum:

http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/8/f/18f8cee2-0b64-41f2-893d-a6f2295b40c8/SW04032_WINHEC2004.... To Market

Upfront investment in a single ASIC can exceed $6M and time to market 12-18 months.

http://www.connextechnology.com/about.asp

Nearly all of the resources I have researched inidcate that typical ASIC time-to-market is somewhere around 2 years. Structured ASICs can cut that time in half. That puts it at a year. As you can sxee, I have been very generous by saying a minimum of 6 months.

YOu don't have to believe me. After all, jjz has established that I am not the be-all, end-all. But before you take the company's word at face value, look into what actually happens in the real world.