Replies to post #287344 on Tornado Alley (PROG)

[ForReal]

But what you don't seem to get is the "independent" you speak of is the one that is bring down the system as we speak.

That statement is exactly what I mean by even the intelligent can be brainwashed. Do you fear change to our political system that only realistically offers 2 choices? Often leaving us with trying to pick the lesser of 2 evils? Perhaps the system needs taken down. Have you ever thought of that? Republicans and Democrats have complete control of our political system. And they seem to work in concert to keep it that way.

Why is it that no one that is either can effectively run for office? Even independents must "caucus" with one of the parties to survive and can not be truly independent.

If those two parties succeed in bringing down Trump, it will end (for a very long time) the possibility of any independent running for president. Trump snookered the GOP. They thought he did not stand a chance and were more than willing to take his money. But lo & behold, something weird happened. Trump actually got elected. Then the political games really began with the help of the press and "establishment" politicians from BOTH parties.

You are watching it play out before your own eyes. All it takes is an open mind, uncluttered with the tribalism that has been created, to recognize it. This should never be about "Me against you" or "You against me". It should be about "us". But we have been brainwashed into thinking this is some kind of football game, which pits one team against another. And the only beneficiaries are the 2 teams raking in all the ticket money. LOL!!

It is time for all of us to wake up and do more than listen to FOX or MSNBC.

[ForReal]

But what you don't seem to get is the "independent" you speak of is the one that is bring down the system as we speak.

I just want to build a bit on my previous response to you.

Elizabeth Warren has just proposed a bill called the Anti-Corruption and Public Integrity Act. Personally, I think it is long overdue and am in favor of it, even though I voted for Trump. But how many from the Trump Tribe will immediately find fault with it? Probably all the hardcore tribe. In fact, the fault finding has already begun.

Elizabeth Warren's Anti-Corruption Bill Is a Big Government Mess
In trying to squeeze corporate influence out of politics, Warren would only grow the power of the state

https://reason.com/blog/2018/08/23/elizabeth-warrens-anti-corruption-bill-i

I have my doubts that this bill could ever pass, no matter who controls congress. Does anyone really think the political cabal in Washington would vote against their own self interest? If this was proposed while Democrats held control of the House and Senate, it would go the way of the bill to abolish ObamaCare, while Republicans controlled both houses. Just enough Democrats would find fault (as just enough Repub's did with ObamaCare Kill Bill) to negate passage. Usually those Repub's or Dem's retiring, with nothing to lose, work to advantage of our currently corrupt legislative branch. It would die in gridlock and with ensuing finger pointing, with high fives in congressional cloak rooms.

The same holds true for any good bill proposed by Repub's. The Dem tribe would not even give a smidgen of consideration to a Trump proposal, whether good or bad. They are all bad.

And the Two Party Democracy is in Pig Heaven. They love the circumstance of the electoral division and recrimination. They will go on giving us the drama and fuel to keep us divided as they go along their merry way, collecting campaign money and enriching themselves.

Old Man Daley from Chicago said it best. "As long as I plow the snow, provide some jobs and pick up the garbage, they don't care how much I rake in". And he was right and powerful for many years. The problem with today's politicians is they won't even make sure the garbage gets picked up, simply because they don't have to. All they have to do is divide and entertain us.