nlightn, "fuagf,...this is pure sickness ! for this pope to allow these actions to continue on his watch, literally, he needs to be taken to task."
i agree the situation is the pits - it sucks big time - and the Pope being taken to task will continue. You can bet on that.
As for divinity, whatever you mean about that in the church, or in any individual, i don't see any more in any church than i see in people in the street. The Pope would be spiritual, whatever that means to different people. Whether, in the long run, Francis is up to fixing/ameliorating/minimizing their disgusting child abuse tradition to be seen.
We do also know any Pope is under political and social pressure to effect change, while simultaneously seeing resistance on both fronts too. This Pope more than recent others, perhaps. I see the Catholic Church and others as little more than companies/countries, so little comes as any huge surprise. Vatican people have killed their own too. Just suggesting Francis could only be expected to get as much done in any sphere, as say Obama managed to get done. Culture change takes time. Too much blab, ok.
World Over Satire - Pope Francis Interview (Full Interview)
Meddling Catholics Published on Nov 14, 2017
In this satirical animation from Meddling Catholics, Raymond Arroyo, host of EWTN's World Over, interviews Pope Francis about Amoris Laetitia, Pope Benedict XVI, and various other controversial topics https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=216&v=hCg5NsY2aFE
While on this post i keep thinking about seeing America's "gun culture" and the Catholic Church's "child abuse" culture in some important ways in the same bag.
Why some Theist and Atheist relationships suck so much.
At least i'd wager more Bishop resignations have been accepted by Pope Francis than by recent church honchos.
-- Pope Accepts Resignation of Australian Archbishop for Covering Up Sex Abuse
Archbishop Philip Edward Wilson outside a court in Newcastle, Australia, in May, when he became the highest-ranking Catholic cleric to be convicted of covering up abuse.CreditPeter Lorimer/Australian Associated Press, via Aapimage
By Gaia Pianigiani July 30, 2018
ROME — For the second time in three days, Pope Francis on Monday accepted the resignation of a powerful prelate — this time, an Australian archbishop — in a sexual abuse scandal, as the pontiff tries to send the message that high officials no longer enjoy near-immunity from consequences within the church when it comes to sexual misconduct.
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Early this year, the pope drew criticism for speaking in defense of a Chilean bishop .. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/19/world/americas/pope-sex-abuse-chile.html .. caught up in another abuse case, and many advocates against clerical sex abuse said that Francis seemed to have a blind spot on the issue.
a chat just read again, between F6/StephanieVanBryce/DesertDrifter .. from here .. Stephanie -- Bergoglio's beginning to rival Putin as a contender for the one seeking to build the world's most ridiculous cult of personality https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=94119146 .. forward say six steps to .. you know .. I really do not know what Catholics or the 'non Catholics' do . ... who see Francis here and there do in their churches... https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=94120998 .. then another say ten short steps to .. Stephanie -- it isn't that I don't understand, or can't empathize with, where you're coming from -- you have your take, and you're hardly alone in it; fair enough -- I have mine p - truth be told, I wish I could share, at least to some extent, in yours; perhaps he will, and may he, yet actually take some action in light of which I'll be able to do so https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=94124409
Pope Francis Urges Catholics to Pray and Fast in Response to Child Sex Abuse
The Catholic Church is still reeling from the release of a report documenting acts of child sexual abuse by hundreds of priests in six Pennsylvania dioceses.
This morning, in a letter directed to Catholics around the world, Pope Francis said the Church must “condemn these atrocities.” He acknowledged how the Church “showed no care for the little ones; we abandoned them.”
That’s all well and good — he expressed deep remorse for the victims — but the real questions are what the Vatican plans to do to prevent future crimes and how they’ll punish those responsible for committing and covering up the abuse.
Instead of actually offering any solutions, though, the pope called for fasting and prayer.
… penance and prayer will help us to open our eyes and our hearts to other people’s sufferings and to overcome the thirst for power and possessions that are so often the root of those evils. May fasting and prayer open our ears to the hushed pain felt by children, young people and the disabled. A fasting that can make us hunger and thirst for justice and impel us to walk in the truth, supporting all the judicial measures that may be necessary. A fasting that shakes us up and leads us to be committed in truth and charity with all men and women of good will, and with society in general, to combatting all forms of the abuse of power, sexual abuse and the abuse of conscience.
Sure, children were raped, but if Catholics don’t eat as much, we’ll call it a draw.
Pope Francis said there were efforts underway to do something but they haven’t been implemented just yet.
I am conscious of the effort and work being carried out in various parts of the world to come up with the necessary means to ensure the safety and protection of the integrity of children and of vulnerable adults, as well as implementing zero tolerance and ways of making all those who perpetrate or cover up these crimes accountable. We have delayed in applying these actions and sanctions that are so necessary, yet I am confident that they will help to guarantee a greater culture of care in the present and future.
As we know all too well, don’t give religious organizations credit for saying they’ll do something until they actually do it. The details matter here. This scandal has been occurring for several decades, and the public has been aware of the extent of these abuses for more than 15 years. Yet the Church still hasn’t figured out how to hold priests accountable? What exactly are they still trying to figure out? And why isn’t it the only thing they’re working on at this point?
In case you’re wondering, nothing in the letter suggests any flexibility when it comes to celibacy, or the marriage ban, or the bizarre belief that homosexual acts are “intrinsically disordered” forcing some priests to suppress or be secretive about their desires. That’s not surprising. It’s not like the Church can be expected to budge on what makes it unique. But while abuse occurs even when these rules aren’t in place, they would go a long way toward giving priests a safe, healthy outlet for their human needs. The arbitrary faith-based rules haven’t helped.
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