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nlightn, "fuagf,...this is pure sickness ! for this pope to allow these actions to continue on his watch, literally, he needs to be taken to task."

i agree the situation is the pits - it sucks big time - and the Pope being taken to task will continue. You can bet on that.

As for divinity, whatever you mean about that in the church, or in any individual, i don't see any more in any church than i see in people in the street. The Pope would be spiritual, whatever that means to different people. Whether, in the long run, Francis is up to fixing/ameliorating/minimizing their disgusting child abuse tradition to be seen.

We do also know any Pope is under political and social pressure to effect change, while simultaneously seeing resistance on both fronts too. This Pope more than recent others, perhaps. I see the Catholic Church and others as little more than companies/countries, so little comes as any huge surprise. Vatican people have killed their own too. Just suggesting Francis could only be expected to get as much done in any sphere, as say Obama managed to get done. Culture change takes time. Too much blab, ok.

Obama had enemies. Pope does too.

Is Bergoglio “under the control of Satan”?
Louie November 16, 2017 120 Comments
https://akacatholic.com/is-bergoglio-under-the-control-of-satan/

Obama was seen as Satan to some. Heretic too.

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‘Heretic’ in the Vatican

Pope Francis faces pushback from the church’s arch-conservatives.

By Hannah Roberts
5/28/18, 4:05 AM CET
Updated 5/31/18, 8:10 AM CET

Despite Pope Francis’ unflagging demeanor, there are signs that the personal attacks may be wearing him down | Andreas Solaro/AFP via Getty Images

ROME — “They call me a heretic.”

Not the words you’d expect to hear from the head of the Roman Catholic Church. But that’s what Pope Francis told a group of fellow Jesuits in Chile earlier this year, acknowledging the fierce pushback from arch-conservatives in the Vatican.
https://www.politico.eu/article/pope-francis-heretic-vatican-liberal-conservative-war/
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Then there's satire

World Over Satire - Pope Francis Interview (Full Interview)

Meddling Catholics
Published on Nov 14, 2017

In this satirical animation from Meddling Catholics, Raymond Arroyo, host of EWTN's World Over, interviews
Pope Francis about Amoris Laetitia, Pope Benedict XVI, and various other controversial topics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=216&v=hCg5NsY2aFE

And both need protection.

The Pope Has A Small But Deadly Army Of Elite Warriors Protecting Him
Tyler Rogoway 9/28/15 4:52pm
https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-pope-has-a-small-but-deadly-army-of-elite-warriors-1733268646

Why did Pope Benedict XVI resign?
By Mark Dowd BBC Radio 4
28 November 2013
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-25121121

While on this post i keep thinking about seeing America's "gun culture" and the
Catholic Church's "child abuse" culture in some important ways in the same bag.

Why some Theist and Atheist relationships suck so much.

The Real God: An Epiphany

.. also linked fourth of four here ..
Steve Schmidt: Trump's Actions Against John Brennan Are An "Abuse Of Power" | The Last Word | MSNBC
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=142976322

At least i'd wager more Bishop resignations have been accepted by Pope Francis than by recent church honchos.

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Pope Accepts Resignation of Australian Archbishop for Covering Up Sex Abuse


Archbishop Philip Edward Wilson outside a court in Newcastle, Australia, in May, when he became the highest-ranking Catholic cleric to
be convicted of covering up abuse.CreditPeter Lorimer/Australian Associated Press, via Aapimage

By Gaia Pianigiani
July 30, 2018

ROME — For the second time in three days, Pope Francis on Monday accepted the resignation of a powerful prelate — this time, an Australian archbishop — in a sexual abuse scandal, as the pontiff tries to send the message that high officials no longer enjoy near-immunity from consequences within the church when it comes to sexual misconduct.

[...]

Early this year, the pope drew criticism for speaking in defense of a Chilean bishop .. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/19/world/americas/pope-sex-abuse-chile.html .. caught up in another abuse case, and many advocates against clerical sex abuse said that Francis seemed to have a blind spot on the issue.

Taking a harder line since then, the pope has begun weeding out Chilean bishops .. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/11/world/europe/pope-francis-chile-abuse.html .. accused of looking the other way or failing to report the behavior of a notoriously abusive priest there.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/30/world/australia/vatican-philip-wilson-resignation.html
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Abuse-Enabling Bishops Who Resigned or Were Removed
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/bishops/removed/

Bottom line, there some progressive change exists in an institution we could well do without.

See also: 2013 - a few around Francis

i met a French Canadian on an oil rig once who hated Catholics with a venom i hadn't felt before...
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=84131075

a chat just read again, between F6/StephanieVanBryce/DesertDrifter .. from here ..
Stephanie -- Bergoglio's beginning to rival Putin as a contender for the one seeking to build the world's most ridiculous cult of personality
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=94119146
.. forward say six steps to ..
you know .. I really do not know what Catholics or the 'non Catholics' do . ... who see Francis here and there do in their churches...
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=94120998
.. then another say ten short steps to ..
Stephanie -- it isn't that I don't understand, or can't empathize with, where you're coming from -- you have your take, and you're hardly alone in it; fair enough -- I have mine
p - truth be told, I wish I could share, at least to some extent, in yours; perhaps he will, and may he, yet actually take some action in light of which I'll be able to do so
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=94124409

Pope Francis in Context
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=90502380

How the Vatican built a secret property empire using Mussolini's millions
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=83702026
.. one of five replies
Benedict XVI’s legacy
"God's rotweiller" failed to address the sex abuse scandals scarring his church, bets on next pope begin
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=84466429