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mattchew

07/27/18 3:27 PM

#528901 RE: boarddork #528900

Well said! I couldn't have said it better, I tried, you know "joint administration", but I failed!

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newflow

07/27/18 3:32 PM

#528902 RE: boarddork #528900

Relax.It was about non-debtor assets around 33 subs.
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jerrylev

07/27/18 3:44 PM

#528904 RE: boarddork #528900

BD, I don't understand here.

You said: "In the end, understand it or not, if you released your legacy interests in order to participate in POR 7, you will have a happy life changing event. "

So you said that we signed release under POR 7 which is the ruling for the bankruptcy.

But you said also that there are bankruptcy remote assets that are not under the control of WMILT and so it is outside of the BK court and POR 7 and our release.

So in your opinion, how will we get benefits from this BK remote assets even if we signed release, albeit signed release to a different thing, namely the BK court, POR 7 and the trust?
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willie424

07/27/18 3:57 PM

#528908 RE: boarddork #528900

bd- in your scenario-what is holding back the distribution for our life changing event????
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Large Green

07/27/18 4:14 PM

#528910 RE: boarddork #528900

boarddork, the last ownership change was 3/19/2012 and for those investors who signed timely releases, they were issued NewCo/WMIH shares AND Markers showing the type of Equity Interests one owned, preferred or common Equity Interests.

So, regardless of the Safe Harbor assets and/or the bankruptcy assets if any distributed, EVERYTHING that comes back is associated with the timely signed releases effective with the last ownership change on 3/19/2012...
correct in your view or not...please explain if you disagree.

Now, for every dollar that comes back, it has to come back via the bankruptcy process that issued Markers who signed timely releases by 3/19/2012...and if you disagree with this, please explain the ownership process that you believe rests outside of the signed released investors on the Effective Date of 3/19/2012









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hotmeat

07/27/18 8:00 PM

#528947 RE: boarddork #528900

So how do you explain the $20.8Billion retained earnings asset that was transferred to the WMILT from the Debtors in the 2012 MOR?

What did that unrealized asset represent to the LT or maybe it was simply another misunderstanding of the document.

WMI owned Participating Interests in MBS's and these would have remained Debtor property, albeit isolated in Safe Harbor .

Now that the Debtors are gone who's next in the line of succession of ownership and receipt of these assets?

The bottom line is that Commons stock was extinguished just as were Preferred stock so the idea that Commons "own the estate" is ludicrous.

Any distribution of Safe Harbor assets will follow the only valid guiding documents available ie the POR, not former priority rules for equity.

Whether those assets return via the WMILT or the FDIC is irrelevant since they both are governed by the agreements in the POR.

SH assets ARE NOT protected from bankruptcy procedures based on the WAMU FASB letter and SFAS 140 as applicable in 2008.




It couldn't be any clearer..........

Quote: "4. Cancellation of Existing Securities and Agreements............WAMU GSA pdf 361

Except as provided in the Seventh Amended Plan, any document, agreement, or instrument evidencing any Claim or Equity Interest shall be deemed automatically cancelled and terminated on the Effective Date without further act or action under any applicable agreement, law, regulation, order, or rule and any and all obligations or liabilities of the Debtors under such documents, agreements, or instruments evidencing such Claims and Equity Interests shall be discharged; provided, however, that the foregoing cancellation of securities, documents, agreements or instruments shall not apply to (a) the securities related to the WMB Senior Notes or the WMB Subordinated Notes and (b) any security, document, agreement or instrument related to a Disputed Claim until a Final Order resolving any such Disputed Claim is entered;
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goodietime

07/27/18 8:30 PM

#528956 RE: boarddork #528900

"LT assets.... are different from..... Bankruptcy Remote assets (which will utilize the LT only as a 'Pass-Thru Trust). Bankruptcy remote assets are just like a check showing up in the mail one random day.

Prediction: There will be more heartache in the coming months for those who misunderstand this distinction, and soon to come, will wonder why again, ....so little is coming directly via the LT's specific assets as is their SEC reportable mandate."

Question about the commons who DID NOT release, how do THEY get their share?
I may be mistaken, if so correct me, but I recall the releases were to be able to participate in the NEWCO.

How, by NOT releasing did they 'somehow' lose the rights to property that 'commons own'?

IF commons are the rightful owner, releases should have no effect on them getting the SAME as those who did release.