Replies to post #70765 on High Wire Networks Inc (HWNI)

[bucksynthesis]

I'm going to wager you are not a scientist nor have had any real training in science. Something as simple as you are trying to argue is supported or refuted by facts...observables. Lets take a few of your "opinions" and examine them.

Is the vapor pressure of water quite low at room temperature?
The vapor pressure of water at 72°F is 20 Torr (for reference, the vapor pressure of water at its boiling point 212°F is 760 Torr) Is this quite low? Low is a relative term...20 Torr is enough vapor pressure for water to evaporate readily at 72°F (this is a common observation - a shower stall is dry in a few hours after taking a shower, for example)

Comparing water to other solvents, are most other solvents extremely volatile at room temperature?
You said yes....most other solvents are extremely volatile at room temperature. This is BS, because of your use of most and extremely volatile. You must not have much real knowledge of solvents - there are plenty that are less volatile than water at room temperature, for example ethylene glycol or octane...both have lower vapor pressures than H2O at 72°F Sure there are a number of solvents more volatile than water...some very volatile but there are also many that are less volatile than water.

Then there is:

The vast majority of moisture in the atmosphere got there because of higher than room temperatures across the planet which causes the massive evaporation of water on our planet!

Indeed, if the temperature around the globe were at a constant 72 degrees F there would be little to no rain or snow and there would obviously be no polar ice caps or glaciers.

Ok...first some facts....the average global temperature from 1951-1980 was about 57.2°F. In 2015 it was 1.8°F higher, which would be 59°F. That is 13°F cooler than the 72°F you mention. Of course at any time there are areas that are warmer or cooler, but that is the average...globally. Your opinion is that water at 72°F cannot contribute to the moisture in our atmosphere...& at that temperature there would be no "polar ice caps or glaciers" Hmmmm...given the facts that I have presented - what think you now ??

Then there is the fact that atmospheric moisture is mostly due to evaporation of water from the oceans (71% of earths surface). This will be dependent on ocean surface temperature & the vapor pressure of the water at that temperature. Hawaiian waters average 77 degrees in winter and 82°F in summer...not much warmer than your 72°F. Another fact: the vapor pressure of water at 77°F is 23.7 Torr. If your opinion is that 72°F water is non-volatile - then what about 77° Hawaiian water in winter? I suppose none of the moisture that results in snow in the Rockies during winter comes from evaporation of Pacific ocean waters? According to your opinion..this couldnt be so. Where I live we are getting hammered with snow this winter...where the heck did it come from ?? Eh Sherlock?

Finally, your opinion that "YES water is often considered non-volatile at room temperature!" is baloney. Neither I or any chemist I know would agree with that BS. End of discussion.

[Porgie Tirebiter]

Water is the most powerful solvent known. But that has nothing to do with it's volatility.

And, if we're discussing volatility, water is technically volatile all the way down to absolute zero. I mean, it's not going to be very volatile at extremely low temperatures as the volatility factor would become negligible. But if there is any heat present, no matter how small the amount, there is a volatility factor greater than zero. I'm not going to bother digging out any equations.

YES water is often considered non volatile at room temperature!

Sorry, but that statement is just not correct.

[Ecomike]

Again, that is total BS, its all wet!!

"Comparing water to other solvents, are most other solvents extremely volatile at room temperature? — yes "

No, most other solvents are not extremely volatile at room temp. Most are extremely volatile at their boiling points!!! Many have higher boiling points then water.

Water is NOT-Considered non volatile at room temp, unless that room is below 32 F and the water is not salt water and the room is at STP conditions.

More nonsense "The vast majority of moisture in the atmosphere got there because of higher than room temperatures across the planet which causes the massive evaporation of water on our planet! "

Check again, most evaporation is caused by photons impacting water surfaces on the oceans, at ROOM TEMP of the oceans. Google "Pan Evaporation tests, Global Dimming"

More nonsense "Indeed, if the temperature around the globe were at a constant 72 degrees F there would be little to no rain or snow and there would obviously be no polar ice caps or glaciers. "

As it is the exact opposite. The water evaporates faster at a higher average surface temperature, and in the upper atmosphere the water super cools and turns to rain, and snow.

Plugger and Ge are hiting new lows every day, in free fall, sell why you still can!!!! Mean while SGSIF has not seen a new low in a year, and is on track to break out and take out .02 and .03 and hit a dime like has done so many times before.