Thanks for your insight. As you may know, I feel something is very wrong with the fact that apple (or others) hasn't bought. A purchase (assuming the patents are truly all that's been touted of course) would be a win-win-win-win-win for them in every way as opposed to no purchase is a loss on multiple levels, ie, the inevitable costs of the infringememt, triple damages, settlements, licensing, loss of use of patent, having to cough it up to rivals, iPhone killer, etc etc etc. Plus same is basically true for all the big dogs and no doubt their DD has revealed to them in the last 13 years since the patents been developed, whether or not there is a real threat from them. Not a single effort to buy, license, or settle is known to have ever occurred. Makes no sense that at least some of them would make use of pre-emptive actions to avoid the inevitable. Plus the cost to them for not buying/settling/licensure increases and increases a lot everyday. Look at the difference between what vplm would have accepted, say 3 yrs ago to when they began to calculate the damages formula and then to the 7/8 billion they quoted and to now where it's going up in a few days to what, $50 billion. Something doesn't make sense. They, like the borg, know something and do not seem the least bit concerned. Sure, they put up a token fight in court so far, but that's because they have been called out by vplm and have to show up and make a defense. The IPR thing usually works for them to swat the fly, but not this time. So since they lost the IPR I would think all the more to expect them to step up and buy vplm and end it. Then they own it all (using mere petty cash) and stave off threats from any other future buyer and give then total control (they are a control freak company, no?) of the voip world and worldwide future voip communications which is so big its hard to fathom. Trillions. To not take up that throne, which they can do so easily, means they are risking someone like Google to snatch it up from under them. Imagine what a Google ownership of the control of all voip services, would do to apples iPhone? Something is not kosher...