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08/23/06 5:13 PM

#33464 RE: CaribbeanJim #33463

Ouch! Are you renting now CJ?
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alanrs

08/23/06 5:53 PM

#33467 RE: CaribbeanJim #33463

As long as she can rent it the $200 will be made up in depreciation. What would stop her from being able to make the payment? A pain, maybe, but not a disaster.

ARS

Edit: Of course if she did a poor job in buying (location mostly) or has dead beat renters, or a variety of other low percentage bad things, it can be more of a problem, but renting is a fairly normal activity, and is more often than not done at a small loss to begin with.



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euterpe1

08/23/06 7:04 PM

#33472 RE: CaribbeanJim #33463

I think some of this being blown out of proportion. Certainly the condo market is overbuilt. Especially here in the city of Chicago where many of the complexes are 12-25 stories tall. These take a long time to bring to fruition from land purchase to building to sale. The amount of inventory is going to take approximately 2 years IMO to catch up with demand. The high priced condos will suffer in this market even more so. In the burbs along the train lines, the condos are mostly sold prior to completion of the project. The secret there is that the landThe rental market is booming, so watch for some complexes to go as rentals versus condos. Along with the nixing of some developments, this will be the source of inventory reduction. No doubt pricing is and will be soft, until the supply is reduced. I don't see a crash and burn scenario. Not here anyway where prices have appreciated nicely, but not anything like CA or FL.

The segment that is going to get whacked are the builders. I am seeing long marketing times on spec homes(6 months +) and significant price reductions. I think this where the reduction is supply is going to come from. The small guys who are doing all the semi-custom stuff are going to get pushed out of existence. They can't hold this stuff for 6-12 months and keep cutting their prices back.

Having just bought another house, here's what I can tell you about the NW burbs in the Chicagoland area. Sales are down about 5% over last year. Supply is up @20% over last year. Yes, it's a buyers market. At the price point we are at, houses are sitting about 60-90 days if they drop there price @2% after 30 days. We found the perfect house, unfortunately it was on the market only 8 days when we saw it and 14 when we put a bid. Long story short we finalized a price after 6 days of negotiating. We ended up @ 4.1% off the asking price. More than what I would have liked, but we really wanted the home. The owners tried a FSBO at @ 7.8% higher than what we paid. If a buyer can sit on a home, you can usually end up get the house for 5-6% below the initially offer price. Last year it was 2-3% off and the year before that is was as the asking price. How times have changed.

The wild card is interest rates. They are not doing much damage right now, but another .50- .75 basis points higher and the marginal buyers will be pushed out and the everyone else is going to drop down a rung on the price scale. If this happens, it will be another cap on prices.
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euterpe1

08/24/06 12:38 AM

#33481 RE: CaribbeanJim #33463

CJ,

That day came 8 months ago. BMHC, HOV, CTX, etc. I don't short often, but I made a ton on BMHC short and half a ton on PNRA short just recently. That's where I made most of my profits on my non-retirement money this year.

There won't any investing of personal money this year as we close on the new house this Friday, but I am quite satisfied with this year in light of the market trend.

BTW, I went skiing at Big Mountain a year and a half ago. Stayed at the Grouse Mountain Lodge. Great place, love Whitefish.
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mr_cassandra

08/24/06 5:00 AM

#33489 RE: CaribbeanJim #33463

re housing market shorting

http://stockcharts.com/c-sc/sc?s=$HGX&p=D&yr=2&mn=1&dy=0&i=t78684699796&r=90...

Not my best area but hasn't a huge short opportunity already passed by ?
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go-kitesurf

08/24/06 2:18 PM

#33506 RE: CaribbeanJim #33463

CJ, been shorting housing stocks for months. CTX has been a fav of mine recently. I'm short right now in fact. I think the housing market has been a goldmine recently on the short side for months now. I am expecting a possible small bounce, but this will give a better entry for positions I've closed recently.

If the housing market will crash it won't take 10 years, imo. ARMs and financial debt-to-income ratios will accelerate any bias up or down. If its going to happen it will happen sooner than later, but many people don't "trade" homes. They simply live in one so they won't be affected.

The housing market is like margin. Buying a rental or second property (vacation home) is like buying on margin hoping you can get out higher. The fallacy is that RE goes up every year. Not true. ARMs and debt will kick this thing off sooner than later. Homebuilders are running from acquisitions faster than a fly gets on sh_t.

The economy is horrible. We have serious problems unaddressed.

1) lack of skilled workers - everyone wants to be a rock star
2) entertainment is #1 - think Roman empire and their downfall
3) lack of manufacturing - the big sucking sound to Mex and China
4) historic debt-to-income ratios
5) a minimal and somewhat poor middle class
6) overworked society
7) poor education of our youth
8) no room in the financing realm to bolster buying - everyone has already bought
9) etc

it has taken less than 20 years of American history to go from an asset based economy to a debt based economy. That is less than one generation, folks. Same with Canada. National debt-to-income has gone negative in October of last year for the first time in the country's history. It isn't just the good ol USA. Keep watching your "Trading spaces" and "Rides" and thinking you need dub2s for your 67 fairlane and flat screens in every room. I'll be retired while you're all out working at 95 years old!