Replies to post #179631 on The Question and Answer Board (IHUB)

[waterchaser]

The two most popular excuses for the dismal performance of any stinky pinky are "shorty" and "paid Bashers"... neither of which have any basis in reality. OTC issues fail because... well... they are worthless scams. End of story.

[IH Dan (Retired)]

"Scare Admin" LOL oh yeah I get really scared...NOT

I'v been on this site nearly 15 years. Admin for 8 years.
I have never seen any proof that a member of ihub has been paid to bash stocks here.
Sure it's possible. But so what? What law or ihub rule does that violate?

People who get paid to promote must disclose that fact.

People who bash (paid or not) don't have the same requirement as far as I know.

I really don't care if posters bash or pump or promote. That's life. That's what makes a good discussion.

All opinions are welcome and encouraged irrespective of investment sentiment, shareholder status and/or alleged motive as long as they are on-topic and comply with the site's rules of conduct. That includes the views and opinions of board moderators

Regarding the last part of your post I have no idea what you are referring to. Please use Private Message if you wish to explain what you are referring to.

By the way the person who posted what you quoted was not banned for posting that, He was banned for stalking another member.

You shouldn't make assumptions about others when you know nothing about it.

Regarding bashers and pumpers:
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=9357987

[IH Admin [Shelly]]

"'Paid Bashers" Discussions Sure Seem To Scare Admin'"

I feel completely confident that I speak for all Admin in saying that not one of is "scared" of paid bashers. :)

"We certainly hear enough about paid pumpers and 'pump and dumps' on these boards, so why does the concept of an opposite faction, let's call them 'bash and crash', seem so far fetched?"

This is the thing - there's lot of evidence (self disclosed, SEC filings/actions, etc.) that people are compensated to promote stocks. There are tons of SEC documentation in regards to "pump and dump" whether by individuals or by the companies themselves.

I, personally, have yet to see any sort of personal public disclosure or SEC actions in regards to anyone being paid to bash. Do I think there are "bashers" on message boards? Sure, just there are pumpers. But, positive, neutral or negative - the investment sentiment eoesn't matter at all when it comes to participation on this site.

"In an online forum where you can pay $5 to get 500 Facebook "likes", there can easily be people making easy money by being "hired" to bash a stock, company, or individual owner. To totally disregard this possibility is ludicrous."

I've never totally disregarded the idea of "paid bashers". I've always been interested in hearing if ever there was some documentation outside of message board rhetoric. In the 7 years I've been here, I have yet to see anything concrete that points to it.

But, just like with all speculation (aliens, etc.), I keep an open mind of the possibility of it's existence. Until I see something concrete though, I remain speculative.

"Any discussion of bashers is treated so severely compared to other "infractions", one has to wonder about the reason for it."

That's not an accurate assessment from my standpoint. We remove dozens of posts about bashers/pumpers/cheerleaders/touts/naysayers. We don't care one bit what someone is calling another User - we only care that they are talking about other Users.

"This message, the posters first on the board, led to an immediate ban"

If you want to send me a link to the deletion you're discussing I'll take a look. But, fyi, Users are rarely banned for their first post on a board based on the content in the post.

"While posts suggesting that a company owners daughter should be sexually molested in order to teach him a lesson or another expressing disappointment that a company owner wasn't killed in the 9/11 attacks, went without any repercussions."

Again, I speak for all Admin when I say we deplore any posts suggesting violence of any kind against anyone. If you want to send me a link to where this was suggested, I'll review.

"Priorities????......Hmmmmm...."

The priorities here are discussion of the company - not other Users and their supposed motivations for posting on a board.

[Sandlisted]

I know this is an old subject, but proof of paid bashing will all come out in the future. Example - If it tastes like and apple, looks like an apple and smells like an apple, it's probably an apple.

No different than watching someone bash multiple stocks, over and over and over again, and what will eventually happen is the SEC will crack down on the bashers with, court cases, lawsuits, etc.

Any judge will then say, how is it that this was allowed to continue for as long as it did? If everyone can see that a person is a paid basher except for the admins, then all of a sudden where does the fault lay?

I can say I ate the apple, but I didn't know it was an apple, who's going to believe me? no one. They will say, common sense shows that you knew without a reasonable doubt that it was an apple. The same will happen to the admins who claim they didn't know these people displayed evidence of being a paid basher.


It is not only the admin's responsibility to make sure the board is free of TOS violations, but to also remove any sort of illegal activity being conducted via the website? Would I be wrong to say that? If you saw someone shoplifting in a store, and didn't say anything than you all of a sudden become an accomplice to the crime for not reporting it? Is that just a grey area?

Please feel free to correct me if i'm wrong, but these seems like all very logical statements.