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04/27/06 1:46 PM

#173112 RE: mlsoft #173109

Trying to Understand Angry Atheists
Why do nonbelievers seem to be threatened by the idea of God?

"while I don't agree with everything in this article I can align with the main point. I've often wondered why there is so much anger and hate. I know Jesus said there would be but it's interesting to think about the why. Seems very defensive to me at least." truth


WEB-EXCLUSIVE COMMENTARY
By Marc Gellman
Newsweek
Updated: 1:28 p.m. ET April 26, 2006


April 26, 2006 - I think I need to understand atheists better. I bear them no ill will. I don't think they need to be religious to be good, kind and charitable people, and I have no desire to debate or convert them. I do think they are wrong about the biggest question, “Are we alone?” and I will admit to occasionally viewing atheists with the kind of patient sympathy often shown to me by Christians who can't quite understand why the Good News of Jesus' death and resurrection has not reached me or my people. However, there is something I am missing about atheists: what I simply do not understand is why they are often so angry.

So we disagree about God. I'm sometimes at odds with Yankee fans, people who like rap music and people who don't like animals, but I try to be civil. I don't know many religious folk who wake up thinking of new ways to aggravate atheists, but many people who do not believe in God seem to find the religion of their neighbors terribly offensive or oppressive, particularly if the folks next door are evangelical Christians. I just don't get it.

This must sound condescending and a large generalization, and I don't mean it that way, but I am tempted to believe that behind atheist anger there are oftentimes uncomfortable personal histories. Perhaps their atheism was the result of the tragic death of a loved one, or an angry degrading sermon, or an insensitive eulogy, or an unfeeling castigation of lifestyle choices or perhaps something even worse. I would ask for forgiveness from the angry atheists who write to me if I thought it would help. Religion must remain an audacious, daring and, yes, uncomfortable assault on our desires to do what we want when we want to do it. All religions must teach a way to discipline our animal urges, to overcome racism and materialism, selfishness and arrogance and the sinful oppression of the most vulnerable and the most innocent among us.

Some religious leaders obviously betray the teachings of the faith they claim to represent, but their sacred scriptures remain a critique of them and also of every thing we do to betray the better angels of our nature. But our world is better and kinder and more hopeful because of the daily sacrifice and witness of millions of pious people over thousands of years.

To be called to a level of goodness and sacrifice so constantly and so patiently by a loving but demanding God may seem like a naive demand to achieve what is only a remote human possibility. However, such a vision need not be seen as a red flag to those who believe nothing. I can humbly ask whether my atheist brothers and sisters really believe that their lives are better, richer and more hopeful by clinging to Camus's existential despair: “The purpose of life is that it ends." I can agree to make peace with atheists whom I believe ask too little of life here on planet earth if they will agree to make peace with me and with other religious folk who perhaps have asked too much. I believe that the philosopher-rabbi Mordecai Kaplan was right when he said, “It is hell to live without hope, and religion saves people from hell.” I urge my atheist brothers and sisters to see things as Spinoza urged, sub specie aeternitatis—“under the perspective of eternity.”

And to try a little positivity. Last Sunday I took two high-school girls to Cold Spring Labs to meet Dr. James Watson. One of the girls wants to be a research scientist, and the other has no idea yet, but I think she will be a great writer. I think they also both want boyfriends. I want them to stay smart and not dumb down to get a boy. Watson spoke and listened to the girls, and they left, I hope, proud about being smart. I know that Jim believes way more in Darwin than in Deuteronomy, but he also believes that at Cold Spring Labs the most important thing is not whether you are a man or a woman, not whether you believe in God. The most important thing, as he says, is “to get something done.” Now there's an atheist I can believe in.


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SeriousMoney

04/27/06 2:06 PM

#173115 RE: mlsoft #173109

Apparently, you interpreted the meaning of the words differently, ml. Can you imagine that?

Dr. Ehrman is a "Christian scholar" as in "scholar of Christianity", just as a "New Testament scholar" is a "scholar of the New Testament".

Bart D. Ehrman is a New Testament Scholar and an expert on Early Christianity. He received his Ph.D & M.Div. from Princeton Theological Seminary where he studied under Bruce Metzger. He currently serves as the chairperson of the Department of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. He was the President of the Southeast Region of the Society of Biblical Literature, and worked closely as an editor on a number of the Society's publications. Currently, he co-edits the series New Testament Tools and Studies.
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Fred Langford

04/27/06 3:17 PM

#173120 RE: mlsoft #173109

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

Perhaps that would be better interperated to mean Congress should make no law respecting 'the wishes' of an established religion.
i.e. Making no laws that have solely religious intent, such as creationism, etc...

Fred

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SeriousMoney

04/27/06 5:22 PM

#173134 RE: mlsoft #173109

And should you investigate more closely, ml, you'll learn that Dr. Ehrman's crisis of reason over fundamentalism began at Wheaton, a private, evangelical college that required him like all its students to sign a pledge that the bible is inerrant.

Besides, Wheaton appears to have its own crisis of reason over fundamementalism...

Areas of controversy have included certain evolutionary theories being taught in at least one anthropology course (by a professor who has since left the college), some plays performed in the drama department, and issues regarding the gender of the Godhead.

In 2003, at least one conservative Christian group was asked to leave campus by security personnel for displaying signs condemning the school's theology.

Joshua Hochschild, assistant professor of philosophy, was dismissed in 2004 for converting to Roman Catholicism.

Wheaton College made national headlines on February 20, 2003 when it lifted its then 143 year-old ban on student dancing... and granted adult faculty members and grad students the freedom to choose whether they want to smoke or drink alcohol while off-campus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheaton_College,_Illinois

Notable Wheaton alumni include Billy Graham, Wes Craven, Bart Ehrman, and Dennis Hastert.