Matt,
It's a pain in the butt to argue with Mary and Truthseeker.
I know you are tired, but you can post a better rant than that considering the subjects.
IMHO though, Floyd at least has some common sense and you can communicate with him.
Mary is another story.
I don't care what you say to her, she doesn't see it. Its like she reads it, but she is blind to what she reads. It's exactly like attempting to carry on a conversation with a blind and deaf person that can talk.
What an idiot.
Have fun,
Phil