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ajtj99

05/19/03 7:17 PM

#109232 RE: Ace Hanlon #109230

Near term, you may be right. I thought today would be a short term low for the TNX, and it went lower than I thought it would. However, I think the TNX may surprise us on the downside over the next 12-months.
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Sherlock356

05/19/03 7:57 PM

#109237 RE: Ace Hanlon #109230

George, as I posted before, I believe a large part of the bond rally (and hence the disconnect with equities) was shortcovering when the Fed indicated it would not hesitate to buy intermed and long bonds to pump liquidity. Perhaps the shorts are finished covering? Also does the US$ chart today look like a gap-down reversal type pattern?
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porter

05/19/03 8:12 PM

#109243 RE: Ace Hanlon #109230

<The fact that the bond rally stalled today despite a plunge in stocks leads me to believe that there is very little upside left in that market.>
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George--

At some point Gross will awake and realize that he's sitting atop a bubble of his own creation.

--Porter

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phineas gage

05/19/03 9:15 PM

#109251 RE: Ace Hanlon #109230

Im calling a top hereabouts.
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brainlessone

05/19/03 10:37 PM

#109270 RE: Ace Hanlon #109230

Who wants bonds: yes there are retail bonds.

but who really needs bonds:

corporations which need to make short term investments that are really safe

pension plans with guarenteed pay outs

college funds

annuities

insurance companies

all kinds of hedges

These are the guys who are driving the market. How are they going to make their 4% gurenteed annuities if the bond is at 3%.

People need that guarentee or all kinds of things unwind.

People are going to be buying all the bonds they can until it does them no good anymore. They wake up in the morning and say to themselves, my god, what if the interest rates are lower tomorrow?

countering this is the retail public who may once again recognize that if they had thrown ten darts at the stock pages last october, they had a good chance of having a 100% return by now.

these two forces will seek some balance.

My question is who suffers the most when rates go down.

I think one of the main reasons the stocks have gone up is a as a way to protect against rates going to 1