Hi George and thanks, I started this yr with putting $20K (5K) in each of 4 ports one cash and the other three are IRA's I told myself you got to put some $ into play and learn Options I either make some $ or would stop if I lost half and move on! as of today/not included, just paste $103K I understand the risk and time lines of Options and got that part down, My problem is converting from longer term charts to reading the short term charts LIKE YOU GUYS I follow your picks and your reading of charts and it makes my head spin just trying to keep up, I guess it is an ischstemic long tern chart eys LOL PS you have some real good tech and chart reading input Thanks Flip