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Re: mlsoft post# 7895

Tuesday, 03/04/2003 7:55:36 AM

Tuesday, March 04, 2003 7:55:36 AM

Post# of 495952
"Animals are born..." versus "Children are born..."

Message In Reply To:
As for children being sinless...
Children are born selfish and thinking of nothing but themselves,
and have to be taught otherwise..." [stop]

Dear mlsoft,

Would it be apples & oranges to compare the function
of the activity of a new born brain in a human child
to that of a highly developed social animal, like a wolf
or elephant or orca(killer whale)?

But even before you answer, might you reflect on certain animals
that are not social, and have brain functions fall less, than say a dog?

But then, maybe you need not even need such a comparison
if you examine a new born brain in a baby that has enough of
what we can describe as pre-programming to survive where
this baby has not the ability to reason, but only to obtain.

Now place this baby in an environment where shelter, water, food,
and even "the touch of another" is given under the following conditions:
- easy
- hard
- brutal
- painful
- rewarding

Now we can explode and tear apart and crush each of the above
to reflect an opinion based on pre-set conditioning, but i would note
that such done is bringing to the table of understanding errors made
in ones own past, that exist today as the normal set in conflicts.

For one might say that if it is made too easy for the child, that if
the child is over-protected, then they will not survival in a world
that is hard and unforgiven. My reply is that you bring too much
of that baggage of the current world into your training of the child,
and would better serve the outcome of the child if you did not focus
on the good v. evil struggles we all have, but to have the child learn
a correct and proper manner to interact, and then advance the child
to examples of good & bad where the prior training has prepared
the child to serve & protect him or herself, if needed. Guess i'am
trying to say that rather than upfront warn a child that bad people
are out there to cause harm, better to teach a child that the normal
and natural way to reflect upon living is to engage people such that
an equal and rewarding exchange is correctness and proper,
and once this attitude is learned, then and only then introduct
to the child that sometimes people will act and respond different,
and that this has to be deal with as un-normal, not as something
to be learned to master and do better for revenge or anger or to
develope these nasty skill better than that nasty person so that
in the end you get the better position, aka less harmed.

Message In Reply To:
"My observations of small children together also tells me
that children can be very cruel to each other,
are very prone to lying..." [stop]

Yes, very true when children are placed in a group and one
or more of these children acts in a bully, unrespectful manner
to the other children, then survival instincts in non agressive
children click on for their own protection and they will appear
to one viewing at a distance as just as bad and nasty as the
one whom was this way while all rest were kind and nice.

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