Sorry Viking, "Pretty Impressive for a company that is supposed to be a scam. But isn't!" Do you think Loch was a scam? Did MP work for Loch and tout the ELF/VAMMP? When MP was hired by the Boyz to manage CDEx, did he continue to tout the ELF/EM-1 and claim it was ready to go? So, where in his tenure at Loch/CDEx did MP get "fooled by the Boyz" (TM- Kidstewart). If someone is paid to help cover-up a scam what would you call that?