3Saints -- actually, yes I have, two of them, and at both the folks worked hard and honestly -- as for the rest of your cheesy harangue, one that Hitler himself would have very much appreciated -- anecdotal (and embellished?) vitriol that at least in terms of shedding any real light on the big picture is rank bullshit -- remember PATCO, 1981? -- take another look at that first chart (at http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=77341083 ) in particular -- and see as well: