Monday, February 14, 2011 11:49:45 AM
Exactly -- doesnt ccelmex avg 8k stems a year?
You just answered the question beautfully.
Why let current investors IOU's be gutted and reissued to others?
Granted some current investors will buy more of the new 80 mill shares but rest assured most will got to big block investors, aquistions, finaciers, and management. No current investor aside from management and IBC will see a preferred share.
IMO- what he is trying to do is flip the ownership structure upside down. With obviously he ending up on or near the top both ways.- As he should as we want him on top, thats GOOD for CBAI.
Right now U/Me the individual investor owns the company. Meaning their are no instiitutional investors owning more than 5%, with the exception of bc which owned 11% predilutioon, diluted down to under 5%. Top 5 managament own and have options for approx 1 billion shares- about 15%. Aside from about 600,000,000 left in the treasury that likely are being released now or will be shortly. More or less the other approx 70% of the IOU's are outstanding (owned by u/me).
This is going to be flipped upside down to your/my detriement.
After a 500/1 split the current investors collectively will own aporx 14% of an ultimate 100 mill share company. The other 86% will in great part be owned by big block invesotrs, and management. With all of the preferred being owned by them.
Guranteed this proposal stems from negotiations with one or more of those big block investors. Guranteed they asked for as much as CEO would give, and CEO negotiated to maintain as much control as he could. Now he is bringing the negotiation to me/u, and every other investor.
And the deal is for you to give up the vast majority of your ownership of the company to a bigger investor so as to continue undetermined aquisitons, in the hopes of generating revenue.
You have just shown how a small to moderate organic growth of 5-10k stems will generate an unbelieveable amount of revenue. Your numbers look correct. Doesnt CCelmex avg sales about 8k stems a year?
See the big picture? There is someone trying to steal your company from you. Right now you/me and other individual investors own the majority of the company. Everbody knows this company is going to be HUGE. You-me-the board-CEO-BC-DW-Ccelmex-ccel-CCB-CBR-State of Nevada-AHIP-MM's-Duke Univerity-HCA-etc...
Somebody is going to come in big. Why just hand it to them? You own right now what others want because everyone can see its future- It's a NO BRAINER! ITS GOING TO BE HUGE!
You were smart and took the risk others couldnt/wouldnt you saw the opprotunity before others. NOW those others want in when its getting safer. Not only do that want in, they want most of it, and they dont want alot of others around them. Why just give it to them? THIS IS BUSINESS!
Obviously with 7billion shares were going to have to give up some ownership - but most of it? Why? As your numbers show we are on the precipice of major Organic Growth revenue. We can have a very strong company very shortly without one more Aquisition, just as you show with small organic growth.
A 100/1 split with a reauthorization of 80mill shares. leaves 70mill shares to me/u and 80 mill to others = a 150 million share company.
Me/u maintain approx 45% ownership of CBAI2 gives him everything he wants with a 33% larger share count 50 million shares, that can be corrected very easily in the future.
Think of thos extra 50 miilion shares as the current investors negotiating tool. Someone wants a 100mill share count and control of now what he knows is a good thing. He will have taken a much lower risk with his $.
You/me have taken a much higher risk and need a higher reward for it.
If this entity truley has something to offer to enhance your ownership value, and it would be worth giving up some of your ownership to make room for what they bring, what is wrong (this is business) when someone is trying to steal your ownership ie wealth of CBAI, for you to say no and negotiate for a better deal?
Especially at a time, as you show in your numbers, you are in the driver seat.
According to your numbers we are about to become very profitable on the size CBAI is right now. Even if we didnt buy anything else he has all the tools he needs to make us profitable very soon. CEO should have no problem paying the bills in the very near future. He says himself after ccel mex we are cash flow positive.
The ccelmex deal cant be contigent on the split as the deal is scheduled to close the end of February. The VOTE to split is not until Mid APRIL. Ccelmex will be closed by then. The $ is already there for that aquisition. That $ wont know what the r/s vote was prior to cmex closing.
You/me have NO incentive to give up majority ownership of CBAI at a time when its on the verge of exploding. NO INCENTIVE WHATS SO EVER! IT WOULD BE INSANE ON OUR PART!!
THIS IS ABOUT WHO IS GOING TO OWN CBAI2-GENERATING THE NUMBERS YOU JUST WROTE.
YOU OWN CBAI1-YOU WILL OWN A LARGE PORTION OF CBAI2 - AS LONG AS YOU DONT VOULINTARY GIVE IT AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!! - FOR NOTHING!!!!!
Like the Indians did when the pilgrims bought Manhantan for beads. Dont let Wall Street buy CBAI from you for BEADS!!
Its time to WAKE UP people -PLEASE! See it for what it is.
Current investors collectively are the third party in the negotiation. Some in our party IBC/CEO/Management want the deal as they will retain a lucrative ownership stake.
The majority of the group the individual investor @ a 500/1 r/s and 80 mill share recap will not be so lucky.
Its up to me/u/and the other individual investors to negotiate for a better deal.
If we cant get it, then voting NO and keeping it just the way it is, with the revenue you just outlined and no more dilution your investment will do just fine bouncing back a forth between a penny and nickel.
Once a good deal for US comes around then we will be happy to give up a SLIGHT portion of our ownership so that our investment can bounce around where ever we want it to bounce around.
If we say NO to this deal, how long, with the numbers you just proved do you think that GOOD deal is going to take to come around?
AIMHO GLTY/A ----
You just answered the question beautfully.
Why let current investors IOU's be gutted and reissued to others?
Granted some current investors will buy more of the new 80 mill shares but rest assured most will got to big block investors, aquistions, finaciers, and management. No current investor aside from management and IBC will see a preferred share.
IMO- what he is trying to do is flip the ownership structure upside down. With obviously he ending up on or near the top both ways.- As he should as we want him on top, thats GOOD for CBAI.
Right now U/Me the individual investor owns the company. Meaning their are no instiitutional investors owning more than 5%, with the exception of bc which owned 11% predilutioon, diluted down to under 5%. Top 5 managament own and have options for approx 1 billion shares- about 15%. Aside from about 600,000,000 left in the treasury that likely are being released now or will be shortly. More or less the other approx 70% of the IOU's are outstanding (owned by u/me).
This is going to be flipped upside down to your/my detriement.
After a 500/1 split the current investors collectively will own aporx 14% of an ultimate 100 mill share company. The other 86% will in great part be owned by big block invesotrs, and management. With all of the preferred being owned by them.
Guranteed this proposal stems from negotiations with one or more of those big block investors. Guranteed they asked for as much as CEO would give, and CEO negotiated to maintain as much control as he could. Now he is bringing the negotiation to me/u, and every other investor.
And the deal is for you to give up the vast majority of your ownership of the company to a bigger investor so as to continue undetermined aquisitons, in the hopes of generating revenue.
You have just shown how a small to moderate organic growth of 5-10k stems will generate an unbelieveable amount of revenue. Your numbers look correct. Doesnt CCelmex avg sales about 8k stems a year?
See the big picture? There is someone trying to steal your company from you. Right now you/me and other individual investors own the majority of the company. Everbody knows this company is going to be HUGE. You-me-the board-CEO-BC-DW-Ccelmex-ccel-CCB-CBR-State of Nevada-AHIP-MM's-Duke Univerity-HCA-etc...
Somebody is going to come in big. Why just hand it to them? You own right now what others want because everyone can see its future- It's a NO BRAINER! ITS GOING TO BE HUGE!
You were smart and took the risk others couldnt/wouldnt you saw the opprotunity before others. NOW those others want in when its getting safer. Not only do that want in, they want most of it, and they dont want alot of others around them. Why just give it to them? THIS IS BUSINESS!
Obviously with 7billion shares were going to have to give up some ownership - but most of it? Why? As your numbers show we are on the precipice of major Organic Growth revenue. We can have a very strong company very shortly without one more Aquisition, just as you show with small organic growth.
A 100/1 split with a reauthorization of 80mill shares. leaves 70mill shares to me/u and 80 mill to others = a 150 million share company.
Me/u maintain approx 45% ownership of CBAI2 gives him everything he wants with a 33% larger share count 50 million shares, that can be corrected very easily in the future.
Think of thos extra 50 miilion shares as the current investors negotiating tool. Someone wants a 100mill share count and control of now what he knows is a good thing. He will have taken a much lower risk with his $.
You/me have taken a much higher risk and need a higher reward for it.
If this entity truley has something to offer to enhance your ownership value, and it would be worth giving up some of your ownership to make room for what they bring, what is wrong (this is business) when someone is trying to steal your ownership ie wealth of CBAI, for you to say no and negotiate for a better deal?
Especially at a time, as you show in your numbers, you are in the driver seat.
According to your numbers we are about to become very profitable on the size CBAI is right now. Even if we didnt buy anything else he has all the tools he needs to make us profitable very soon. CEO should have no problem paying the bills in the very near future. He says himself after ccel mex we are cash flow positive.
The ccelmex deal cant be contigent on the split as the deal is scheduled to close the end of February. The VOTE to split is not until Mid APRIL. Ccelmex will be closed by then. The $ is already there for that aquisition. That $ wont know what the r/s vote was prior to cmex closing.
You/me have NO incentive to give up majority ownership of CBAI at a time when its on the verge of exploding. NO INCENTIVE WHATS SO EVER! IT WOULD BE INSANE ON OUR PART!!
THIS IS ABOUT WHO IS GOING TO OWN CBAI2-GENERATING THE NUMBERS YOU JUST WROTE.
YOU OWN CBAI1-YOU WILL OWN A LARGE PORTION OF CBAI2 - AS LONG AS YOU DONT VOULINTARY GIVE IT AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!! - FOR NOTHING!!!!!
Like the Indians did when the pilgrims bought Manhantan for beads. Dont let Wall Street buy CBAI from you for BEADS!!
Its time to WAKE UP people -PLEASE! See it for what it is.
Current investors collectively are the third party in the negotiation. Some in our party IBC/CEO/Management want the deal as they will retain a lucrative ownership stake.
The majority of the group the individual investor @ a 500/1 r/s and 80 mill share recap will not be so lucky.
Its up to me/u/and the other individual investors to negotiate for a better deal.
If we cant get it, then voting NO and keeping it just the way it is, with the revenue you just outlined and no more dilution your investment will do just fine bouncing back a forth between a penny and nickel.
Once a good deal for US comes around then we will be happy to give up a SLIGHT portion of our ownership so that our investment can bounce around where ever we want it to bounce around.
If we say NO to this deal, how long, with the numbers you just proved do you think that GOOD deal is going to take to come around?
AIMHO GLTY/A ----
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