gg, I appreciate the post and the information. It clears up a lot of questions. I know joe was like a wart on the ass of most members, but I found him to be entertaining and colorful. I also enjoyed "sparring" with him. I also know that joe considered himself to be a hacker and even started a board on it. <A HREF="http://www.investorshub.com/boards/board.asp?board_id=832" target="_new">http://www.investorshub.com/boards/board.asp?board_id=832</A> Now, after I know the facts, I also consider him "good riddance". But, I still don't consider the events leading up to it to be in good taste. And I still consider Fred to be an asshole and an idiot. Have fun, Phil