The Jailhouse

[Bird of Prey]

Matt,

I agree that Joe has had his difficulties here. Occasionally they have been big. But your opening paragraph could just as easily have been applied to me as it was to Joe. He does need to learn some respect, but for the life of me I can't see how much of anything you've done over the last year or that Fred is doing now will teach him about respect.
I don't believe that beating him will improve the situation either. Granted Fred's "I am a rock" style of debate can be difficult to overcome, but how is beating his head against Fred's Stone wall supposed to teach Joe anything? IMO, He's too smart to keep beating himself up against a non responsive opponent. If I were in his shoes a certain redhead would have a partner in trash talking IH over this.
As for the offer, Fred had already "given up" on Joe at the time the offer was made. Even then the offer should not have been made public.
Lastly, if this statement were true "Most people instantly get the boot for that.", there would be a long list of folks like myself that would no longer be posting at IH. At one time or another nearly all of your regular posters have become passionately involved in a disagreement. Contrary to the above statement, you are exceedingly tolerant of flame wars and Flame Warriors, even those that have crossed every line in the sand you've put in place (a certain redhead comes to mind as does a particularly vulgar "Ironhead").

You are right that Joe needs a "mentor", unfortunately you cannot choose one for him. He must do that for himself, only then can that mentor have any hope of helping joe reach his potential.


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