Zeev's Turnips Talk Politics (ZTTP)

[GEO928]

at this juncture, we're pretty much on the same page....from past conversations I believe our divergence is a matter of "extent"....

Adding that to our previous understanding that folks taking egregious advantage of the system are "crooks", not Capitalists or Socialists per se, and add also our agreement that Capitalism and Socialism are ideals, not workable "isms", where do we disagree?

where the extent comes into play is, perhaps, in the "definitions"......

while I tend to lump the left together in a conversational sense, I do not consider socialism to be the ideal....rather, I view socialism as more of a pragmatic compromise between the extremes/ideals of capitalism and communism.....

capitalism is profit driven...

communism is allocation based....

socialism.....uses the communist concept of government allocation and repackages it to fit into democratic profit centers as "re-distribution"...

we tend to muddle economic systems and social systems...

capitalism operates best under conditions of liberty & freedom....that environment we most commonly call democracy....

communism works best in a totalitarian environment....

so, our disagreement is "mixture" of capitalist tools and social programs and where the line exists which determines socio-economic success vs failure......

I claim a nation should employ as few social programs as possible....and give business the least encumbered operating environment.