forget either that dog wont hunt your trying to hide behind something that can be changed your liberal friends are bout to change health care tremendously and your saying OH well there is certain spending off limits because its mandatory NO, you dont get that chance I do understand the difference and I do understand its another way that liberals use to push there agenda deal is like % cuts, so IF the mandatory spending in social services will only allow an X percentage cut, then that is the same cut for defense and I am sure that is fair with you, right? dont care about mandatory/discretionary same % no matter what can I count on your signature? M