Hasher, thanks and excellent post. That is a rendition of a lot of the facts, or hopefully the facts and I believe they are, that no outsider like most of us, couldn't possibly really know. The funny thing now is that PWTC and LB are going to be beaten in other ways too. Canada's EFL has that 200 mile range battery but Lithium and a car made by GM/Susuki. Which doesn't mean it will sell if hybrids aren't exactly being massed produced and they aren't. But back orders for hybrids are building up. And canada's APS, formerly KYC that had contracted with PWTC, has a prefectly fitted battery charger that chargers lithium batteries in 1 hour instead of 8 hours, and not the more slower 2 hours instead of 10 hours for lead batteries. Though lithium is more expensive. LB either better start wising up and make a stepping down deal. Or the court system better not extend the court case any more. Click on Maya-100 at top right hand corner of this website. http://www.electrovaya.com/