So never .. i fully understand the reasoning and 'impossibility' .. 'knowledge knowing'? .. sheeezzzzzz , have been watching the .. A Rough History of Disbelief videos for hours .. being reminded of much read years ago ..is well worth watching for anybody with time and inclination .. need an open mind .. at least shutters up .. lol
back to waterboarding and the is it Army Manual?? and ffing torture .. maybe infinitesimal chance one day .. did, before getting video glued, read one of Steph's something of only 10 Dem's crossing floor .. gave me some more understanding of your position .. and your 'stand alone' gives more understanding of the 'never now' now .. the backbone business is in there yet could it ever happen .. even 100 years from now .. heh, hope not maybe? even never in my lifetime. sorry forget that .. heh :)