Middle School Playground

[Mariner*]

Phil, It points to a much larger issue... .
Phil(Bullrider) You don't know me. I don't know you. I have never responded to a post of yours, nor have you to mine.
So... Can we agree that I am netural with regards to this conflict? Good.
Please consider me an outside moderator to the moderator.
More of a reflection, a mirror if you will...
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You put a great deal of energy and will into your posts. Everyone has an agenda. They push the way they think onto others and attempt to transform them to their way of thinking. Others that are not a member of that particular camp may wish to curtail their attempts. This is where play/counterplay acts out. The civilized banter between two opposite ends of the spectrum. Without it we have no civilization. We're bombed back to the stoneage.
Please look at this post that the poster put a great deal of effort into compiling to state his veiw on a very important issue at the time and still is, with your response to it.
Bear in mind I read this almost a year ago and I never forgot your response. Partly because I felt that you were not giving the poster a fair review and your response was based more upon your feelings of what you thought the person was or was not than what they had to say.
These are all traits that we are working on as human beings but as leaders and good moderators should be second nature.
*Please take another look at the post in question and see if it is not relevant to the news of the day.
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=804503
The Fallacies of this war.

The Bush administration is advancing the cause of their war by using a series of logical fallacies. A fallacy is, very generally, an error in reasoning. This differs from a factual error, which is simply being wrong about the facts. To be more specific, a fallacy is an "argument" in which the premises given for the conclusion do not provide the needed degree of support.

Probably the most used logical fallacy used in support of the war is the fallacy of Misleading Vividness. This is the fallacy of letting a single strong example or a single vivid case to outweigh strong statistical data. The vivid case of course is the terrorist attack of 9/11. This fallacy is used in support of not only Bush's war, but almost every other action he has taken in the last year. The response to this dramatic TV footage of the towers is way out of proportion to the actual dangers or consequences implied in the actions taken since then.
http://www.csicop.org/si/2002-09/9-11.html

When it comes to justifying this specific Iraqi incarnation of their war, the administration used several other logical fallacies to confuse the public. In the fallacy of Begging the Question the premises includes the claim that the conclusion is true or (directly or indirectly) assume that the conclusion is true. This is commonly seen in the Rumsfeld & Bush claim that Saddam must have weapons hidden because the inspectors have not found them yet. Implied in the premise is the conclusion that there are weapons to be found. In actually the claims say nothing about the presence of weapons while the inspectors say at least something factual on the subject.
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/12502_iraq.html

This argument is further confused by the fallacy of Special Pleading. This is the fallacy of failing the present a reason why this case should be considered differently from other similar cases.
http://www.nixoncenter.org/010502Is%20North%20Korea%20More%20Dangerous%20than%20Iraq.htm .
or even from the case of the arguer. http://www.salon.com/news/col/scheer/2002/12/11/weapons/ .

The Bandwagon is a fallacy in which a threat of rejection by one's peers (or peer pressure) is substituted for evidence in an "argument." The Bush administration does this domestically with their accusations that all who question their war are un-American. http://www.newsfrombabylon.com/article.php?sid=1355 . Internationally the fallacy is extended to the point of outright threats. http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/11/06/gen.attack.on.terror/ . None of these threats or appeals to polls provides any justification for Bush's war; they only convey his threats and perhaps reasons to worry about confrontation with Bush himself.

The Bush administration deflects the more measured responses in a fallacy known as the Excluded Middle where it is claimed that if a war with Iraq is not begun, and begun soon, then nothing will be done and Saddam will get mass weapons and destroy the world. The fallacy completely ignores any other possible actions besides war or nothing. http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/02/09/1044725672665.html .

While the Bush administration uses a great many fallacies, such as Appeal to Emotion, Poisoning the Well, and Burden of Proof, probably the most used false justification for Bush's war is Guilt by Association in which the crimes of terrorist Osama Bin Laden are associated with Saddam Hussein by the irrelevant fact of their Muslim heritage.
http://www.buzzflash.com/perspectives/Osama_Clock.html

TP
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/