Bag, I think as you say DNAG will go on with or without 'us.' I do believe Tony was sincere in the beginning. Perhaps unexpected events and the business world at large were too much to ask of sincerity. But I do not think myself a fool for believing. If one can not believe in something larger than oneself than one is smaller than I care to be. Perhaps it is 'over' in terms of longs who stumbled through the RS ever seeing a significant return or even breaking even. Today I voted for Tony and Hector and chose not to do the same for Richard. I thoroughly resent Monica's salary vs Karen's. I resent the raises for the big three, I resent the stock give aways. If management proves me wrong I will be the first to admit it. I can not see to date that the words "shareholder value" have had more behind them than over-fed bottoms.