Hey Gary -- you are totally out of line by calling someone who organized a fact finding trip a "perpetrator". If you read Jim's post on SI's TGL thread, you'll see that he is skeptical of their financing model. Here is just one example: <A HREF="http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=19231351&s=myng" target="_new">http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=19231351&s=myng</A> <A HREF="http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg_multireplies.gsp?msgid=19231351" target="_new">http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg_multireplies.gsp?msgid=19231351</A> I'm sure iHub's TOU has a line item mentioning the consequences of libel. Chris