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Friday, September 12, 2025 5:23:44 PM
Gamer Culture and Guns
September 12, 2025 /15 Comments/in emptywheel /by emptywheel
Related: Maybe Robinson is a Groyper -- The Groypers, sometimes called the Groyper Army, are a group of alt-right, white nationalist, and Christian nationalist[5] activists led by Nick Fuentes. Members of the group have attempted to introduce alt-right politics into mainstream conservatism in the United States and participated in the January 6 United States Capitol attack and the protests leading up to it. They have targeted other conservative groups and individuals whose agendas they view as too moderate and insufficiently nationalist.[6][7] The Groyper movement has been described as white nationalist, homophobic, nativist, fascist, sexist, antisemitic, and an attempt to rebrand the declining alt-right movement.[4][8][9][10]
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=176693257
Since posting that i bumped into this Empty Wheel offering:
The other thread on the Charlie Kirk killing has gotten really long, so I thought I’d post another.
The investigation into Tyler Robinson’s ideology is still quite early. What’s clear is he was raised in conservative Republican culture, around guns.
What’s unclear is whether the cultural references that AFT initially misrepresented as “trans ideology” is sincerely, or only ironically, tied to further right culture than Kirk himself.
Here’s a good explanation .. https://www.theverge.com/politics/777313/charlie-kirks-alleged-killer-scratched-bullets-with-a-helldivers-combo-and-a-furry-sex-meme .. of the known gamer references in the things he scratched onto bullet casings (though the song Bella Ciao has been appropriated by Groypers).
But the full arrow sequence was quickly recognized as something else: a combo from Helldivers 2 for calling the Eagle 500kg Bomb stratagem. The world of Helldivers — which evokes Robert Heinlein’s book Starship Troopers and the subsequent movie — concerns fascism thematically; developer Arrowhead has characterized it as a satire where players fight for a fascist state.
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Fans of the game immediately noticed. Shortly after the press conference on Friday morning, the Helldivers subreddit was flooded with players who had picked up on what may be references to the game. A thread, now deleted, was titled: “Hey Facist Catch!” with the poster asking, “Did anyone else hear/notice?!” A commenter, responding to the thread, said, “The moment I heard [the arrows] my eyes widened.”
Another thread, also apparently deleted by moderators, referenced the arrows that authorities say were on one of the unfired bullet casings recovered at the scene. “It sickens me having people like this playing this game and using it to real violence to tarnish this awesome game and community,” the poster wrote. Other posts implored the subreddit moderators to lock down the forum. Moderators for the subreddit didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment. A thread in the separate r/Helldivers2 subreddit remains active, with people discussing the apparent parallels.
And this is a worthwhile reflection .. https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2025/09/minneapolis-church-shooting-influencers/684083/ .. — originally written about the suspect in the Annunciation Catholic Church shooting — about how muddled this online ideology can be.
As incoherent, unhinged, or even cringey as the Minneapolis shooter’s videos might seem, they are part of a familiar template of terroristic behavior—one that continues to spread in online communities dedicated to mass shootings and other forms of brutality. In these morbid spaces, killers are viewed as martyrs, and they’re dubbed “saints.” Really, they’re influencers.
These disaffected communities live on social networks, message boards, and private Discords. They are populated by trolls, gore addicts, and, of course, aspiring shooters, who study, debate, and praise mass-shooting tactics and manifestos. Frequently, these groups adopt the aesthetics of neo-Nazis and white supremacists—sometimes because they are earnestly neo-Nazis and white supremacists, and sometimes because it’s the look and language that they’re cribbing from elsewhere. It’s always blurry, but it usually amounts to the same thing. In an article published by this magazine last year, Dave Cullen, author of the book Columbine, summed it all up: “As you read this, a distraught, lonely kid somewhere is contemplating an attack—and the one community they trust is screaming, Do it!”
There’s no reason to rush to pin this down. What matters is the right wing launched a cultural war against the left…
… Only to discover that the culprit was one of theirs.
H/T Alejandra Caraballo for the Nancy Mace screengrabs.
15 replies
https://www.emptywheel.net/2025/09/12/gamer-culture-and-guns/
Had a hunch there was a chance the shooter could be from the right:
[...]And understand Kirk had far-right enemies, as well as people on the left.
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=176684698
September 12, 2025 /15 Comments/in emptywheel /by emptywheel
Related: Maybe Robinson is a Groyper -- The Groypers, sometimes called the Groyper Army, are a group of alt-right, white nationalist, and Christian nationalist[5] activists led by Nick Fuentes. Members of the group have attempted to introduce alt-right politics into mainstream conservatism in the United States and participated in the January 6 United States Capitol attack and the protests leading up to it. They have targeted other conservative groups and individuals whose agendas they view as too moderate and insufficiently nationalist.[6][7] The Groyper movement has been described as white nationalist, homophobic, nativist, fascist, sexist, antisemitic, and an attempt to rebrand the declining alt-right movement.[4][8][9][10]
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=176693257
Since posting that i bumped into this Empty Wheel offering:
The other thread on the Charlie Kirk killing has gotten really long, so I thought I’d post another.
The investigation into Tyler Robinson’s ideology is still quite early. What’s clear is he was raised in conservative Republican culture, around guns.
What’s unclear is whether the cultural references that AFT initially misrepresented as “trans ideology” is sincerely, or only ironically, tied to further right culture than Kirk himself.
Here’s a good explanation .. https://www.theverge.com/politics/777313/charlie-kirks-alleged-killer-scratched-bullets-with-a-helldivers-combo-and-a-furry-sex-meme .. of the known gamer references in the things he scratched onto bullet casings (though the song Bella Ciao has been appropriated by Groypers).
But the full arrow sequence was quickly recognized as something else: a combo from Helldivers 2 for calling the Eagle 500kg Bomb stratagem. The world of Helldivers — which evokes Robert Heinlein’s book Starship Troopers and the subsequent movie — concerns fascism thematically; developer Arrowhead has characterized it as a satire where players fight for a fascist state.
[snip]
Fans of the game immediately noticed. Shortly after the press conference on Friday morning, the Helldivers subreddit was flooded with players who had picked up on what may be references to the game. A thread, now deleted, was titled: “Hey Facist Catch!” with the poster asking, “Did anyone else hear/notice?!” A commenter, responding to the thread, said, “The moment I heard [the arrows] my eyes widened.”
Another thread, also apparently deleted by moderators, referenced the arrows that authorities say were on one of the unfired bullet casings recovered at the scene. “It sickens me having people like this playing this game and using it to real violence to tarnish this awesome game and community,” the poster wrote. Other posts implored the subreddit moderators to lock down the forum. Moderators for the subreddit didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment. A thread in the separate r/Helldivers2 subreddit remains active, with people discussing the apparent parallels.
And this is a worthwhile reflection .. https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2025/09/minneapolis-church-shooting-influencers/684083/ .. — originally written about the suspect in the Annunciation Catholic Church shooting — about how muddled this online ideology can be.
As incoherent, unhinged, or even cringey as the Minneapolis shooter’s videos might seem, they are part of a familiar template of terroristic behavior—one that continues to spread in online communities dedicated to mass shootings and other forms of brutality. In these morbid spaces, killers are viewed as martyrs, and they’re dubbed “saints.” Really, they’re influencers.
These disaffected communities live on social networks, message boards, and private Discords. They are populated by trolls, gore addicts, and, of course, aspiring shooters, who study, debate, and praise mass-shooting tactics and manifestos. Frequently, these groups adopt the aesthetics of neo-Nazis and white supremacists—sometimes because they are earnestly neo-Nazis and white supremacists, and sometimes because it’s the look and language that they’re cribbing from elsewhere. It’s always blurry, but it usually amounts to the same thing. In an article published by this magazine last year, Dave Cullen, author of the book Columbine, summed it all up: “As you read this, a distraught, lonely kid somewhere is contemplating an attack—and the one community they trust is screaming, Do it!”
There’s no reason to rush to pin this down. What matters is the right wing launched a cultural war against the left…
… Only to discover that the culprit was one of theirs.
H/T Alejandra Caraballo for the Nancy Mace screengrabs.
15 replies
https://www.emptywheel.net/2025/09/12/gamer-culture-and-guns/
Had a hunch there was a chance the shooter could be from the right:
[...]And understand Kirk had far-right enemies, as well as people on the left.
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=176684698
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