Tornado Alley (PROG)

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hap0206, All sorts of incidences occur in real life in which you know some one is guilty of something without a judge and jury having to tell you so. As you know sometimes they get it tragically wrong too.

Of course, we are all aware of the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. That is how our legal systems are set up to work. And -- putting aside crooked cops who plant evidence and crooked judges who take bribes of some sort or another and jurors who accept a favor for finding for the one who bestows that favor and crooked accountants who fix books to con people -- on balance our systems work fairly well.

However, that said, when you see a pile of shit in front of you you don't need a judge and jury to be able to say reasonably and fairly, that is a pile of shit.

Trump is guilty of what he has been indicted for. Period. Even if a court decides the prosecution has not reached the technical criminal bar/standard required.