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Re: gfp927z post# 1535

Tuesday, 08/10/2021 3:15:13 PM

Tuesday, August 10, 2021 3:15:13 PM

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But there is some credible evidence that the mRNA vaccines may have major problems - 1) the spike protein cleaves off and bioaccumulates in the organs and brain, and 2) the spike protein itself exhibits cytotoxicity -


You (and Robert Malone, Steve Kirsch & Bret Weinstein) are misinformed...

Fact Check-COVID-19 vaccines are not ‘cytotoxic’
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaccine-cytotoxic/fact-check-covid-19-vaccines-are-not-cytotoxic-idUSL2N2O01XP

snip...

Anna Durbin, Professor of International Health at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, told Reuters via email that the spike itself is not cytotoxic.

“When you are vaccinated, your cells use the mRNA (or DNA from adenovirus vector) to make spike protein in your cells. Your cells “show” your immune system the spike protein and pieces of the spike protein. The spike protein does not kill those cells, it is not cytotoxic,” Durbin explained.

The T cells, which make up a part of the immune system, then see the spike protein and remember it so that if there is exposure to the virus later, they can recognize it and kill the infected cells, Durbin said.

VERDICT
False. There is no evidence that COVID-19 vaccines are cytotoxic (toxic to cells).


Bio-Chemist Derek Lowe explains what the detection of the S1 protein and spike after vaccination means...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Lowe_(chemist)

He serves on the editorial board of ACS Medicinal Chemistry Letters and on the advisory board of Chemical & Engineering News.

As of 2018 he was working at Novartis; formerly he had worked for 10 years at Vertex, 9 years at Bayer, and 8 years at Schering-Plough.

The Novavax Vaccine Data, and Spike Proteins in General

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/06/15/the-novavax-vaccine-data-and-spike-proteins-in-general

snip...

It seems clear from all these human trials and the clinical experience to date that the circulating levels of the S1 protein (or the Spike itself) that are sufficient to induce a protective immune response are not in themselves toxic. The animal studies demonstrate that the Spike or S1 can indeed have bad effects on living cells and tissues all by themselves, but the conditions under which this was demonstrated are not those that obtain after vaccination.

And this latest paper showing circulating S1 protein after vaccination? Coupled with the previous paper from the same group, it in fact provides strong evidence that such blood levels are not by themselves the cause of coronavirus symptoms and tissue damage. No, if you want to try for severe, permanent damage, you will need to get infected by real SARS-CoV-2 itself and take your chances. Try your luck, if you like, with the short-term symptoms and with “long Covid” symptoms as well. See if you stay out of the ICU, or if you retain your sense of smell – try them all. If you would rather not spin that wheel, and you shouldn’t, then my strong, heartfelt advice is to get vaccinated. Because then you will be protected.



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