is that including the compound 8% interest charge I've heard various figures from 800 mil to 5 Bil in posts 1.6 B would be fine by me given the price we bought the shares for how much is that per share do you figure ? approx ? I honestly think the 13 want to stay in the multi M stage & carter's not budging unless they start talks with a B you guys have been at it for years, I trust your figures/instincts, there's some smart shareholders on this board glad to be part of a winning ticker, finally in the last stretch.. .