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Religious children are meaner than their secular counterparts, study finds

After saying "I think the U.S.A. being more Christian, more punitive would follow sorta naturally."
near the bottom of the post this post sits in reply to i felt to check it -- thus the few in this post.

Religious belief appears to have negative influence on children’s altruism and
judgments of others’ actions even as parents see them as ‘more empathetic’

Harriet Sherwood Religion correspondent
@harrietsherwood
Sat 7 Nov 2015 04.10 AEDT
Last modified on Sat 15 Jul 2017 06.28 AEST

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Children .. https://www.theguardian.com/society/children .. from religious families are less kind and more punitive than those from non-religious households, according to a new study.

Academics from seven universities across the world studied Christian, Muslim and non-religious children to test the relationship between religion and morality.

They found that religious belief is a negative influence on children’s altruism.

“Overall, our findings ... contradict the commonsense and popular assumption that children from religious households are more altruistic and kind towards others,” said the authors of The Negative Association Between Religiousness and Children’s Altruism Across the World .. http://www.cell.com/current-biology/pdf/S0960-9822(15)01167-7.pdf , published this week in Current Biology.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/06/religious-children-less-altruistic-secular-kids-study

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Think religion makes society less violent? Think again.
By Phil Zuckerman
Oct 30, 2015 | 6:17 PM
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-1101-zuckerman-violence-secularism-20151101-story.html

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Misinformation and facts about secularism and religion
Even smart people perpetuate untruths about atheism and religion

Posted Mar 30, 2011

This post is in response to Do we need religion to be ethical? .. https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/do-the-right-thing/201103/do-we-need-religion-be-ethical .. by Thomas G. Plante


Source: atheistcartoons.com used with permission

Unfortunately, in his recent post, "Do we need religion to be ethical?" Thomas Plante, PhD, makes statements that perpetuate common misinformation with regard to religion and secularism. While I doubt that Plante intended the comments to be disparaging toward secular individuals, they most certainly are. In fact, considering that the statements come from an educated man and not some uniformed member of the general public, they are especially troubling.

Plante casually claims that religious people are "better citizens" and "behave better." And without citing any sources, he tells us: "Research has consistently found that religious people are less likely to engage in criminal behavior, marital infidelity, alcoholism, unprotected sexual activity. . ."

In other words, according to Plante, if you're not religious you might be a good person, but on average you are more likely to have these undesirable characteristics. This is a bold assertion that, of course, immediately puts secular individuals on the defensive. (Just imagine if the same claims were made against any other minority group.) It is precisely claims like these that lead to many Americans having an unfavorable view of atheists and other nonbelievers.

Fortunately for atheists, agnostics, and secular humanists, there is no factual basis for Plante's claim that "research has consistently found" secular individuals to be more prone to such antisocial behavior. Consider, for example, a March 2009 academic article in Sociology Compass that extensively researched the subjects raised by Plante. The article, by Phil Zuckerman of Pitzer College, is entitled "Atheism, Secularity, and Well-Being: How the Findings of Social Science Counter Negative Stereotypes and Assumptions" .. http://pitweb.pitzer.edu/academics/wp-content/uploads/sites/38/2014/12/FAC-Zuckerman-Sociology-Compass.pdf .. and, unlike Plante's article, it cites detailed studies of the areas in question.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/our-humanity-naturally/201103/misinformation-and-facts-about-secularism-and-religion

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This one veers the other way

So religion makes you meaner? Not according to the evidence

The Drum
By Simon Smart
Posted 13 Nov 2015, 2:28pm

[...]

The problem is, despite the theoretical experiment that produced these results, the weight of evidence for real world experience looks completely different. One might recall Robert Putnam's American Grace: How religion unites and divides us (2010), which emerged from two comprehensive surveys conducted into religion and public life in America.

Putnam reports that on every measurable scale, religious Americans are better volunteers, more generous financial givers, more altruistic and more involved in civic life, than their secular counterparts. Religious people are better neighbours, more community-minded, more likely to volunteer, and not just for church activities. They are more likely to give blood, to give money to a homeless person, to provide financial aid to family or friends, to offer a seat to a stranger and to spend time with someone who is "a bit down". The list goes on.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-13/smart-so-religion-makes-you-meaner-no/6938636

However we should note the author Simon Smart is,
Simon is Executive Director of the Centre for Public Christianity
.. https://www.publicchristianity.org/staff/ .. which could affect his objectivity.

See also:

The Rise Of The ‘God Gap’
2016 Election 10:02 AM Jan 31, 2016
By Anne Pluta
[...]
Putnam and Campbell argue that this kind of religious polarization is not the natural state of American politics. Instead, the political scientists suggest that it is the conscious crafting of religion and politics by opinion leaders that has led us to this place. By prioritizing issues such as abortion and gay marriage, Republicans have been able to appeal to religious people of many denominations. For example, as the first Catholic to successfully run for president, Kennedy won an overwhelming 78 percent .. http://www.gallup.com/poll/11911/protestant-catholic-vote.aspx .. of the Catholic vote. The next Catholic to run as the Democratic standard bearer, John Kerry in 2004, managed only 47 percent .. http://www.pewforum.org/2012/11/07/how-the-faithful-voted-2012-preliminary-exit-poll-analysis/ .. of the vote, as social issues took center stage. Further evidence of the phenomenon, which Putnam and Campbell call “the coalition of the religious” was evident Jan. 22 when evangelical Protestants joined Catholics .. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/evangelicals-are-joining-the-catholic-march-for-life-this-year/2016/01/21/255bfc20-c060-11e5-bcda-62a36b394160_story.html .. in the “March for Life” in Washington. As Putnam and Campbell write, “What makes the current period unusual is the church-attending evangelicals and Catholics (and other religious groups too) have found common political cause.”
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=120214745

No problem there, as in 2014 they did. It's as much a reporting requirement by
Charity Navigator as a problem for the Clinton Foundation and it's atypical set-up.
[...]

Skipping to the last page of the story first, the answer is neither: As two MIT political scientists determined in a 2013 paper, the inclination to give appears
to have virtually no relationship to one's partisan or ideological views. There are distinctions, however, in the kind of giving between the two poles.
http://articles.latimes.com/2014/mar/31/business/la-fi-mh-conservatives-or-liberals-20140331
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=122682099
.. two downstream ..
conix -- giving/tithing to churches does not count -- such giving/tithing is not charity/charitable giving -- that it is deductible
as such is unmitigated bullshit, a pure, total and complete, scam -- churches are not charities or charitable institutions
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=122685285

Why I Am Not a Christian by Bertrand Russell
YOUTUBE - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F6J8o7AAe8
.. first in an F6 big one ..
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=114628218

And one F6 bunch to the end

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3Saints -- re charity, actually charitable giving, versus tithing/giving to a church -- further to my initial reply
at http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=93745445 (and any future following),
and to (linked in) fuagf's reply at [excerpt outed here
church giving vs charitable giving to the poor .. some 5% in many cases of your charitable giving
to the church goes to those the church says it does .. here is some of the proof F6 alluded to .. ]
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=93795107 and following --
here are some of the posts on this board with/linking relevant items -- (linked in):

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=54363930 and preceding and following

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=58513524 and preceding and following;
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http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=72379799 (in reply also to http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=71307174 ) and preceding (and any future following)

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http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=83702026 and preceding and following

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=84628488 (in particular but hardly limited to "Busting the Myth That Christians Are More Generous Than Non-Believers", about 30% of the way down) and preceding and following

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=91463781 and preceding (and any future following)

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=93428428 (in particular but not limited to the fifth item, "Bishop’s suspension a symptom of German Catholic Church’s wealth") and preceding (and any future following)
.. here ..
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