i think what he meant is that perhaps Rufus has always been used, but never smart enough to know it. In theory, Mike Alexander can boot Rufus just like Williams and company did at BBAN w/ the help of the OKC and Wisc group. So by proxy, he is saying that these people are using Rufus as proxy for pumps...as he has proven to be good at that? that's my interpretation anyway...speak Serf..speak.