Johnny C, I'm one of this long term investors and have been stuck here along with many others. No doubt Seth has a few friends in high places still willing to throw a few bucks his way. I just wonder why do you think the outcome will be different this time when history shows he's used his companies tickers as ATM machines in the past. He doesn't care one iota for shareholders. Everything he does is for his own personal enrichment. Not one single venture with Seth's fingers in them turned out to be anything worthwhile. I've heard all the excuses over the years, too. He always comes out selling like a rose though. Whatever comes next, I'll be watching and hoping for the rinse and repeat do I can escape this nightmare.