Kant'...No, I have no doubts about the ultimate success of our long term goals, and I agree with you that a few conniving, manipulating selfish posters have affected the the normal unselfish and sharing attitude we have all appreciated throughout the years...This has nothing to do with intelligent discourse on specific differences of viewpoints, which I think is healthy. It has a lot to do with repetitive time consuming posts which are little more than semantics and possibly some ego exercise...If you like this ..Fine..I don't..and incidentally, WE have just about bashed THIS subject smack dab into the ground.. Cheers..Flyer'