i completely understand. i am a penny trader. so i'm used to calculating in the 1000's of % just had a mind blank here. thank you so much for your input you just saved me some heartbreak thats for sure. i still see shorting as a great opportunity though. i have seen approx. 5 stocks go from high 5's into high cents within a couple months. if one were to find 10,000 shares of a stock at this price. the gains would be massive. although be it not 100%, still quite huge. what do you think about that?