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What puts him in the scum category was when he knew it was over at the end, he pumped and dumped a whole lot of shares. There were pump pieces coming out often to get some kind of volume, any volume, so Steve and his cronies could dump shares. That's a scum. If he was a man of integrity and high morals, he would have come out to his shareholders and said honestly that he has failed at his efforts without dumping and squeezing ever last penny out of his shareholders so they were the ones left holding the bag. He should have held the greater portion of that bag. Instead he pumped and dumped.
Let me say it one more time. THAT'S A SCUM BUCKET ANYWAY YOU CUT, SLICE IT, OR DICE IT. That's the nicest way I can put it.
Another case of a shorter bashing to gain for himself. Confusing documents with vague arguments. It seems that many shorters are jumping on the band wagon to destroy the pps. Scumms of the greatest degree IMO. Hopefully this review will be completed soon so we here from an independent voice with the real authority to speak rather than a blogger who has nothing better to do than do arm chair analysis.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/220175-orient-paper-inconsistent-record-keeping-raises-red-flags?source=yahoo
short squeeze?
OK, after sifting through this "anonymous" blogger's article, this guy is full of crap. I'm back in with a full position.
On this point you are most likely incorrect as he states that he is short ONP. I would venture that he is continuing to short. Another point to keep in mind is this is an anonymous blogger. What reputable analyst would stay anonymous. These guys are scums of the most despicable order and Seeking Alpha should be ashamed of themselves for publishing this trash.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/219704-orient-paper-s-top-supplier-an-empty-shell-owned-by-onp-s-ceo?source=yahoo
Hhmmm... this guy is short ONP so he has a serious motivation for making this stock go down. His credibility is in question in such an article and he was probably part of the bunch who was selling to kill momentum yesterday. Now he times an article to make it go down even more.
On the other hand, one would be stupid not to consider such strong accusations with documentation. I've drunk the cool-aid on too many stocks before. It's time for ONP to come clean and soon.
Disclosure: I sold out yesterday (Aug 9) at $5.25 to protect profits under the tremendous amount of selling pressure. I will now wait to see what ONP does in answering these accusations before I re-enter. If any of these accusations are proven true, ONP will have a serious credibility issue to overcome and I will move on from ONP. I am hoping for the best. If they are exonerated, this one will take off like a rocket and those like me will be left chasing the pps. But, if the issues come true, we could be trading below $1. The downside scares me too much right now. I'll wait on the sidelines for now.
This whole issue is a sad case of one guy who for his own enrichment put out a false hyped up report so he could make a lot of money. He accomplished his goal. He stands as one of the greatest scumbags of the year. I'm sure he has made a few hundred thousand dollars off this if not more and all at the expense of good honest share holders.
Yes Manatee, I am back. ONP has a great future and if they can keep delivering, this one has several doubles ahead in the next 5-10 years IMO.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/The-Rosen-Law-Firm-Files-bw-2444158989.html?x=0&.v=1
Who is suing who? Share holders suing ONP? Common!! This is Muddy Water's fault. There is nothing proven. This is some greedy law firm that is jumping on the band wagon with Muddy Waters to keep the bashing going. What scums. Let the truth come out with the audit and we will be back trading at $10 in little time. If ONP is proven to exaggerate their situation, then let them pay, but otherwise, please shut up! Stop wining and ride it out. That's the risk you take when you trade micro-caps moving into small cap territory.
I believe ONP will be vindicated and those who lost money wining and litigating over it will only keep themselves from seeing their money come back.
We're just getting warmed up as we get back to the $10 trading level.
This stock now sits at the cheapest price I have ever seen a stock that has a bright future. We sit at 25% fair value (at $5.30)in my estimation which means 2 doubles from here. If we reach the level of year end estimates I have seen (1.25 EPS), we are well above 2 doubles at this level in value. I am sorry to you longs who have held through this unjustified bashing by Muddy Waters. They are scums of the highest degree and when the air clears, I believe you will be glad you held through this as we may well be trading at the $10 level again by the middle of next month. Total guess so do your own DD.
ONP - FAIR VALUE at 18% Annual Growth Rate
CURRENT EPS 1.05
Earnings Estimate next 5 Yrs 18
Number of Years takes to Double 4
Number of Doubles in 10 years 2.50
ESTIMATED EPS GROWTH RATE 2.63
ESTIMATD FUTURE P/E 36
Estimated PPS in 10 years $94.50
TODAY'S FAIR VALUE PRICE $23.63
MOS PRICE (50% of Fair Value) $11.81
ONP - YEAR END ESTIMATES at 18% Annual Growth
ESTIMATED YEAR END EPS 1.25
Earnings Estimate next 5 Yrs 18
Number of Years takes to Double 4
Number of Doubles in 10 years 2.50
ESTIMATED EPS GROWTH RATE 3.13
ESTIMATD FUTURE P/E 36
Estimated PPS in 10 years $112.50
TODAY'S FAIR VALUE PRICE $28.13
MOS PRICE (50% of Fair Value) $14.06
I agree, this really is a great opportunity although these guys at MW are skums of the greatest kind. This is one of the few times I didn't get stuck in the tailspin. But having watched the tumble on the side lines and now being fully re-loaded, this really has become a no brainer for me. Once these issues clear, ONP will rebound nicely I believe.
By the way, I am back in at around $4.50 average from yesterday. And now we're up nearly 10% since my post. Can anyone say "short squeeze?"
More indication today that these guys at ONP want to re-assure investors that they are the real deal. I'm back in with long position and will take profits at around $9 when we double from here. When this investigation is over, and considering ONP is cleared, this one will be off to the races.
I bought into ONP back when the stock was $.70 (or $2.80 after split). I saw great prospects here and rode it to $14+ and saw it moderate to $10. I sold all at that point and figured we would see some more moderation to about $7+ range and I would come back here and start entering back in. I wasn't paying much attention to ONP but when I saw the bottom drop out I starting reading a little. After spending some time taking a hard look at all things ONP, I am convinced Muddy Water's is a fraud. Those guys have accomplished their goal and I would think they have already made millions and now are hanging on to milk it for what-ever else they can get out of it. I entered back in recently on the latest drop back into the $4+ range. Sold for some quick profits and re-entered on the drop again yesterday. I will be establishing my long position again as well as taking advantage of the volatility at this ridiculously low price. I expect that by fall this one will at least be trading at double the present level.
It was a scam from the beginning and Steve played it for every last dime. I figure if he came out with a few million on a few spikes during the lifetime of SALN, then that's a pretty good pad for retirement. The funny thing is Steve is laughing all the way to the bank. Is he going to pay for this? Ya, but probably not this side of life.
It's from the Street.com. I've seen a few articles from this guy traveling through China reporting. I agree upside potential is great here but in the intermediate, I believe better prices will be had in the next few months. Entry at present levels is a good bet for a year or longer hold but any kink in their plans will send this to the $6 and maybe even the $5 range pretty quick. The dilution is what scares folks although I feel long term it will prove to be a good move by ONP.
I hope so but I have decided I will sit it out for a better price. Like I mentioned post just before this, check out the history on AOB and FEED. Same pattern with those as is emerging with ONG. I made money on both but then they started getting hammered as they diluted to grow to big boy status. It's a necessary step if they are going to grow but, I think I'll wait until they work the kinks out first.
Best wishes.
Yes, I just checked my computer and now it all makes sense. I sold all my shares as this does not bode well for the intermediate. Look at the history of AOB and of FEED and you'll see the same pattern with dilution. Those two companies, I think, are good bets for the long term just like ONP for the hold a few shares long term investor but in the intermediate I think ONP is going to get hammered just like AOB and FEED. I very well could be wrong but dilution rarely helps in the short term when you're a micro-cap.
It's been a good run and I've made lots of money here but I will now take some time to re-evaluate and wait for a better price with the dilution. We will see lower prices IMO, maybe even the $5 range. That's when I will start thinking about jumping back in here.
Best wishes to you all.
OK, shall I say it. I am baffled by the trading after record numbers release today.
Up 7.35% to $9.50 and it is still at a stupid low price. Once I get the revalue with year end numbers I will post and you will be kicking yourself for not buying here.
I'm living on beans and rice this month as I added more at $8.79
It's done and over. Steve has turned the lights out on anything that was SALN, he's done pumped the last bit of juice out of it and someone will buy this and reverse merger into it and pump some more people out of money in another 5-10 years whenever all of us have long since forgot about this night mare sleezbag and his buddy BA who pumped us all out of some big doe.
As usual with the insanity of the market, I added more too early at around $9.30. Then the next day it tanks. I didn't think we would see those prices again but there are a lot of people that have gotten some shares at a serious serious discount. Even at the present $8.95 for longs this is a serious discount.
Nothing fundamentally has changed. Profits are looking brighter than ever and we are tanking.
Do you think someone is shorting this thing today?
Steve was just padding his retirement with all the shares sold since this scam started.
Got volume today. Some sucker is joining the suckees. Oh what joy!
All the pumping and buddy pics does make you wonder doesn't it.
BA thought everything was a good thing. Is it a surprise?
and still we sit at dirt cheep, $10.50. Still in the stupid low price range. Any decent news out of China and this one will be one of the first to rocket out of this ridiculously low price range.
I was just the opposite in opinion because at $9 this one was seriously spring loaded. I was suprised it dropped to $9. That is a STUPID LOW PRICE. I figured it would stay around $11 and misjudged a little getting back in with the bulk of my reserve cash. I think by next month this one will be setting new highs and we may well see $13 & $14 in the next few days which will be well above my re-entry point average. When we hit $15, I will have added a boat load more of free shares. Then I'll wait again for stupid Mr Market to get finicky again and add some more free shares. I expect this one will be trading above $20 by year end and possibly higher if the numbers keep growing like they are.
We're up 10% on the day to $10.20 and we're still at a stupid low price.
OK agreed, STUPID CHEEP.
get um while you can boys cause I have a feeling we'll be trading at a 30%-50% higher range by next week. Sticking my neck out on predictions but shall I say it, the market can be stupid sometimes.
These are old numbers now. No doubt these new year end numbers will send ONP value higher. Even based on the old numbers, we now sit at nearly 30% below a 50% discount. Whether this finicky market recognizes it or not is anyone's guess. But I'm relatively certain recognition will come soon and we will be soaring again. When I get the new numbers figured I will post them.
FIGURING FAIR VALUE at 18% Annual Growth Rate
CURRENT EPS 1.07
Earnings Estimate next 5 Yrs 18
Number of Years takes to Double 4
Number of Doubles in 10 years 2.50
ESTIMATED EPS GROWTH RATE 2.68
ESTIMATD FUTURE P/E 36
Estimated PPS in 10 years $96.30
TODAY'S FAIR VALUE PRICE $24.08
MOS PRICE (50% of Fair Value) $12.04
May I express an opinion? This is a stupidly low price. I've already taken a bunch of my paycheck and dumped it in here. We'll see how stupid a move that is in the next few weeks or maybe even the next few days when the crowd comes back here realizing how oversold this one is.
Might be better to wade in rather than nibble. They are still on course for bigger future numbers. I wonder what affect this will have on the next two weeks trading. Will we see $15+ again sooner than later? Hhmm. Thes numbers make me wonder.
http://biz.yahoo.com/e/100201/onp10-k_a.html
Thanks Manatee, I'm thinking we're spring loaded now but this market is very finicky. At the drop of a bucket everyone runs for the door. But I guess volatility will play well for those with patience who want to add free shares. Mood swings will pay off for the patient here I believe.
The idiots gave it to me. OK we can go back up now, LOL!!